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Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by singleshot_ on Friday December 27, 2024 @09:40AM (#42522399)
> it's _extremely_ useful for lawyers,

How so? How are you using LLMs to practice law? Genuinely curious.

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by herval on Friday December 27, 2024 @09:46AM (#42522450)
multiple lawyer friends I know are using chatgpt (and custom gptees) for contract reviews. They upload some guidelines as knowledge, then upload any new contract for validation. Allegedly replaces hours of reading. This is a large portion of the work, in some cases. Some of them also use it to debate a contract, to see if there's anything they overlooked or to find loopholes. LLMs are extremely good at that kind of constrained creativity mode where they _have_ to produce something (they suck at saying "I dont know" or "no"), so I guess it works as sort of a "second brain" of sorts, for those too.

There's even reported cases of entire legislations being written with LLMs already [1]. I'm sure there's thousands more we haven't heard about - the same way researchers are writing papers w/ LLMs w/o disclosing it

[1] https://olhardigital.com.br/2023/12/05/pro/lei-escrita-pelo-...

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by rsynnott on Friday December 27, 2024 @09:55AM (#42522513)
Five years later, when the contract turns out to be defective, I doubt the clients are going to be _thrilled_ with “well, no, I didn’t read it, but I did feed it to a magic robot”.

Like, this is malpractice, surely?

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by transcriptase on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:06AM (#42522631)
It only has to be less likely to cause that issue than a paralegal to be a net positive.

Some people expect AI to never make mistakes when doing jobs where people routinely make all kinds of mistakes of varying severity.

It’s the same as how people expect self-driving cars to be flawless when they think nothing of a pileup caused by a human watching a reel while behind the wheel.

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by voltaireodactyl on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:33AM (#42522939)
In the pileup example, the human driver is legally at fault. If a self driving car causes the pileup, who is at fault?
Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by qup on Friday December 27, 2024 @11:39AM (#42523594)
Well, maybe its wheel fell off.

So, the mechanic who maintenanced it last?

...

We don't fault our tools, legally. We usually also don't fault the manufacturer, or the maintenance guy. We fault the people using them.

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by herval on Friday December 27, 2024 @01:24PM (#42524601)
My understanding is the firm operating the car is liable, in the full self driving case of commercial vehicles (waymo). The driver is liable in supervised self driving cases (privately owned Tesla)
Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by WhyOhWhyQ on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:33AM (#42522935)
Any evidence it's actually better than a paralegal? I doubt it is.
Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by herval on Friday December 27, 2024 @12:39PM (#42524196)
This is malpractice the same way that a coder using Copilot is malpractice
Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by tiahura on Friday December 27, 2024 @11:19AM (#42523408)
Drafting demand letters, drafting petitions, drafting discovery requests, drafting discovery responses, drafting golden rule letters, summarizing meet and confer calls, drafting motions, responding to motions, drafting depo outlines, summarizing depos, …

If you’re not using ai in your practice, you’re doing a disservice to your clients.

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by singleshot_ on Friday December 27, 2024 @12:52PM (#42524323)
How do you get the LLM to the point where it can draft a demand letter? I guess I'm a little confused as to how the LLM is getting the particulars of the case in order to write a relevant letter. Are you typing all that stuff in as a prompt? Are you dumping all the case file documents in as prompts and summarizing them, and then dumping the summaries into the prompt?
Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by tiahura on Friday December 27, 2024 @01:02PM (#42524412)
Demand letters are the easiest. Drag and drop police report and medical records. Tell it to draft a demand letter. For most things, there are only a handful critical pages in the medical records, so if the original pdf is too big, I’ll trim excess pages. I may also add my personal case notes.

I use a custom prompt to adjust the tone, but that’s about it.

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by singleshot_ on Saturday December 28, 2024 @11:25AM (#42532100)
I feel pretty uncomfortable dumping A/C privileged material into ChatGPT. Am I wrong? Or are you just limiting this to non-privileged material always?
Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by herval on Friday December 27, 2024 @05:43PM (#42526758)
curious about what tools you're using - is it just chatgpt? Any other apps/services/models?
Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by bdangubic on Friday December 27, 2024 @06:15PM (#42526956)
I use the same and have stopped needing lawyers for many things I used to. paying for chatgpt pro pays for itself.

imo while many here on HN debate the future of SWEs in the era of LLMs, there is no debate about future of many legal jobs - they will disappear

Re:Does current AI represent a dead end? by tiahura on Friday December 27, 2024 @06:08PM (#42526914)
Just ChatGPT and claude