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Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by perihelions on Friday December 27, 2024 @08:39AM (#42521952)
Ukraine uses (among other things) fixed-wing drones with similar characteristics to civilian aircraft. Some of them are *actual* civilian aircraft, retrofitted into unmanned suicide drones,

https://www.flightglobal.com/military-uavs/ukraine-appears-t... ("Ukraine appears to deploy modified A-22 ultralights as suicide UAVs")

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by notahacker on Friday December 27, 2024 @09:19AM (#42522217)
None of them remotely resemble an E190 though, which is about 50x the size of a cruise missile, communicates effectively with air traffic control and broadcasts ADS-B signals telling you what it is (at least when you're not jamming it...)
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by joha4270 on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:17AM (#42522755)
Radar doesn't exactly tell you the size of of a contact. Sure, you can measure the power of the return signal, correct for distance and get something that loosely correlates with size. But it correlates much more strongly with other things.

You're also making the assumption here that it was a modern Russian system. This wasn't exactly close to the current fighting, its entirely possible this radar was manufactured in the Soviet Union. I don't think those receive a lot (or any) civilian broadcasts.

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by cozzyd on Friday December 27, 2024 @12:00PM (#42523813)
Since Russia reduced Grozny to rubble relatively recently, it's probably not that old.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by joha4270 on Friday December 27, 2024 @12:46PM (#42524264)
Most A2A systems has wheels (or floats) and can thus easily be relocated. While it probably had good stuff once, I think all the high end equipment once located here has moved closer to Ukraine by now. What's left is probably the worst (human or technological) that's left.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by justsomehnguy on Friday December 27, 2024 @11:21AM (#42523432)
> You're also making the assumption here that it was a modern Russian system

People do like to provide their very important opinion completely oblivious what Grozny is farther away from eg Crimea than Kiev.

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by red-iron-pine on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:10AM (#42522667)
> Some of them are actual civilian aircraft, retrofitted into unmanned suicide drones

literally small prop planes with guidance systems and instead of ~4 passengers it's lots of explosives. commonly used against Russian oil depots, etc.

small radar signature, and a lot of ambiguity with civilian aircraft.

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by Retric on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:17AM (#42522752)
Confusion with civilian prop aircraft, not commercial jet airliners flying at vastly higher altitude and speeds.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by icegreentea2 on Friday December 27, 2024 @12:49PM (#42524291)
An E190 on approach (remember, this airplane was trying to land at Grozny) has an approach speed between 125-145 knots (depending on load). A Cessna 172 for example has a cruise speed of ~120 knots and can cruise up to 10k feet. A typical instrument landing glide path is 3 degrees - that intercepts 10k feet at ~60km out.

The likelihood of confusing a regional jet with a small prop plane (purely based on speed/heading/altitude) is way higher during landing.

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by Retric on Friday December 27, 2024 @04:57PM (#42526440)
While it crashed near an airport it doesn’t seem like the aircraft was targeted at low altitude and low speeds.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by sandmn on Friday December 27, 2024 @01:06PM (#42524455)
This aircraft was trying to land so it likely had much lower altitude and speed than usual.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by Retric on Friday December 27, 2024 @04:58PM (#42526448)
It doesn’t appear that the aircraft was attacked on final approach. Instead flying much higher and faster than prop drones.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by throw0101d on Friday December 27, 2024 @09:55AM (#42522521)
> Ukraine uses (among other things) fixed-wing drones with similar characteristics to civilian aircraft.

Including taking off from commercial airports on publicly available schedules, on predetermined airways/corridors, and broadcasting 1080 MHZ ADS-B data?

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by colejohnson66 on Friday December 27, 2024 @08:57AM (#42522070)
Unmanned kamikazes?
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by jandrese on Friday December 27, 2024 @01:06PM (#42524449)
They are just DIY cruise missiles really.