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Re:Java in the Small by themaninthedark on Thursday December 19, 2024 @02:27PM (#42464877)
I learnt to program using Pascal, then C++ in Highschool.

In collage, CS101 and 102 required me to learn and use JAVA, which I felt was a huge step backwards in usability and a lot of excess typing.

But as I reflect on it now, I think my feeling were because I came from knowing how to do some things and therefore not requiring the framework that JAVA offed to first time programmers.

Re:Java in the Small by fulafel on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:08AM (#42468704)
I think the sins of Java as a first language are twofold:

1. The obvious excess incidental complexity

2. and more important, the enterprisey culture that's much less compatible with the intellectual curiosity, looking under the hood, etc attitude that's needed to become a decent programmer.