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Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by lxgr on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @08:48PM (#42457526)
> And yes Apple has tpm. It's just built into the cpu and called differently.

Yeah, so does Google. But as mentioned before, even though they were both using it for WebAuthN in the past, they both stopped doing so.

What stronger proof for attestation being dead in the context of WebAuthN can you possibly get than the two largest implementers actively discontinuing it?

There are many good reasons to be cautious of how attestation is used and critically examine who it serves – a company you're doing business with, you, or both – but in this specific context, it's arguably no longer relevant.

Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by jesseendahl on Thursday December 19, 2024 @03:44AM (#42459607)
I just love that @wkat4242 (the parent comment you're replying to) lists attestation as the reason they moved away from Apple/macOS and you're (rightly) pointing out that both Apple and Google stopped supporting hardware attestation for WebAuthn/passkeys.

This really embodies what's wrong with the world in 2024 — people believing in their world views so strongly that they ignore actual real world evidence that is directly contrary to their very strongly held but incorrect world view.

Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by wkat4242 on Friday December 20, 2024 @03:56PM (#42474929)
It's not attestation per se. More the lock-in in general when it comes to Apple. And the opinionated design (use it as-is, few configuration options).

Every release macOS got more closed and removing features I cared about. At the same time introducing stuff that only works if you're all-in on Apple. I use every OS under the sun. So that didn't work for me. Because all Apple's cloud stuff works on Apple alone (with a handful of exceptions on windows).

The lock-in of passkeys was just one of the things that bothered me. Not really the attestation per se, I'm aware it doesn't currently have it though I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce it if passkeys actually take off.

But like I said, Apple does have hardware control over other features. They do have a secure element which is just like a TPM which blocks you from changing certain files on the system and if you disable system integrity protection they turn off some of the features of the OS, like the ability to use iOS apps on macOS. It's basically DRM.