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Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by bryanlarsen on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @08:04PM (#42447182)
We modernized and rationalized the Space Shuttle to make the SLS and each SLS costs > $4B.

Building Saturn V's at low volume under the standard cost-plus arrangements that NASA uses with Boeing et al would result in steadily increasing costs.

Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by khuey on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @08:23PM (#42447279)
> We modernized and rationalized the Space Shuttle to make the SLS and each SLS costs > $4B.

Except we didn't, because we took absurdly high-end engines (RS-25s) that were designed for reuse and refurbishment and now we drop them in the ocean after every launch.

Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by BuyMyBitcoins on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @08:47PM (#42447384)
And because we are using those engines, which lack sufficient thrust at liftoff, we have to use the Solid Rocket Boosters. Those were supposed to be recoverable but the SLS just drops them into the ocean now too.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by Aloha on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @09:09PM (#42447510)
AFAIK, we do recover and refurbish them - at least when shuttle was flying.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by Polizeiposaune on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @09:28PM (#42447588)
Not any more. SLS drops them in the ocean.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by jasongill on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @10:01PM (#42447750)
So did the Shuttle; all of the Shuttle SRB's were recovered (with one obvious exception) and refurbished and reused at least in part. It wouldn't make sense for either Shuttle or SLS to drop them on the ground
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by V99 on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @12:15AM (#42448290)
The solid rocket booster casings were dropped into the ocean and (usually) recovered.

RS-25s were the three main engines. They were very expensive, designed for reuse and were recovered with the rest of the orbiter they were bolted on to. Then refurbished with a much greater amount of effort and money than initially expected, and eventually reused on a future mission..

The SLS uses two similar boosters and FOUR of that same(-ish) engine design. The boosters can be recovered just like before. But the first stage doesn't fly itself back to Cape Canaveral after 2 weeks like the Shuttle did. So those four very expensive "reusable" engines are chucked into the ocean never to be seen again.

Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by Polizeiposaune on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @12:35AM (#42448354)
They've given up on refurbishing & refueling the SRB casings for the SLS.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by lupusreal on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @05:27AM (#42449414)
Simply having to maintain one or more ships (continuous expense, year round, year after year), to fish those tubes out of the ocean (once every few years) almost certainly ate up any cost savings they could possibly get from refurbing the tubes.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by ChadBrogramer69 on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @07:53AM (#42450054)
And this lazy, reductive line of thinking is how they got to $4B/launch.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by lupusreal on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @09:34AM (#42450720)
Lmao, do you have any idea how much ships cost? The spent SRBs being sunk are the least of SLS's problems. SRB shell refurbishment had dubious economic sense when Shuttle was flying several times a year, but for something that will fly as few times as SLS it would be an absolute farce.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by bpodgursky on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @10:14PM (#42447804)
And yet, the SLS does.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by Polizeiposaune on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @12:39AM (#42448371)
The shuttle did not drop RS-25's in the ocean. The SLS does.

The shuttle's SRB's were fished out, refurbed, refueled, and reflown.

The SLS's SRB's are left to sink to the bottom.

Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by marcellus23 on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @11:08AM (#42451677)
He's talking about the SLS. The shuttle hasn't flown in 13 years.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by Dalewyn on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @09:57PM (#42447729)
Space Shuttle (and now SLS) SRBs always dropped into the ocean for recovery after the fact.
Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by mikepurvis on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @10:14PM (#42447805)
I think it’s actually a bit more nuanced than that, see:

https://space.stackexchange.com/a/45894

Basically the SRB had multiple modules and some were more reusable than others, so some got recovered and refurbished a lot more.

Re:We Built the Saturn V (2017) by tim333 on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @08:22AM (#42450226)
I found on a forum

>it would cost $23 million to refurbish a used SRB and $12~70 million to refuel it.

A unconfirmed sources, that worked at NASA claim that Thikol employee explained to him. That reuse cost 3 time more, than a expendable SRB https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51959.0