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Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by itake on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @04:41PM (#42445599)
and service fees at restaurants. The price on the menu in Seattle or SF is ~25% lower than what the product actually costs.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by coldpie on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @04:55PM (#42445733)
Minnesota banned these this year! It goes into effect Jan 1st. https://minnesotareformer.com/2024/05/20/governor-signs-junk...
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by physhster on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:25PM (#42446063)
Imagine if that guy became VP...
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by coldpie on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:44PM (#42446257)
We have a very nice little island of sanity up here :)
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by hamandcheese on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @04:46PM (#42445637)
California was set to ban that, until Scott Weiner carved out an exception for restaurants.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by sedatk on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:14PM (#42445942)
His name sounds exactly like someone who'd sabotage a public benefit.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by kstrauser on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:09PM (#42445884)
Count the service charge toward what you would’ve tipped.

Wait staff reading this: bosses at restaurants like this are stealing from you if that doesn’t go straight to you. I tip very well, but I’m not tipping twice. And yes, if it’s a “service charge”, that’s the same as saying “tip” from the customer’s perspective.

Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by aziaziazi on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:30PM (#42446128)
Would boycott get a chance? The honest restaurants bragging "NO FEES" would gather more customers and the others follow.

Wondering, is there already US places that works without tips like in most other places ? (Owner pays a decent salary to its employees, include that in all products they sell and don’t expect tips)

Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by FateOfNations on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @04:29PM (#42455499)
Various restaurant operators have experimented with what you described but haven't succeeded. The big issue is that servers hate it specifically because owners use the additional revenue to "pay a decent salary to their employees. " This generally includes all the employees, not just the formerly tipped ones. The kitchen staff ends up getting a significant pay bump, and servers get what amounts to a cut in their take-home pay.

At the higher end, the labor market for waitstaff is competitive, and restaurant operators who have experimented with this have had trouble keeping server positions filled (with the opposite effect in the kitchen).

Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by aziaziazi on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @07:20PM (#42457002)
Thanks. Perhaps what’s lacking is a legal decent minimum wage then.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by hnburnsy on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @04:47PM (#42445642)
Yeah, I love that healthcare surcharge at SFO restaurants.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by itake on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:02PM (#42445804)
Healthcare surcharge: 6%

tip: 20%

tax: 8.625%

= total: 34.625%

Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by zten on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:14PM (#42445945)
The healthcare surcharge is taxable, because it shouldn't exist, it should just be a 6% increase in the menu price.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by trustinmenowpls on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:22PM (#42446032)
what is a healthcare surcharge?
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by zten on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @05:35PM (#42446174)
SF has something called Healthy SF where employers have to offer health insurance plans, or pay into a city-managed health account. I think the last time I looked, for a lot of businesses, it's basically a $2.25/hr raise for your employees.

edit: The best part is, if your employees don't use the money (maybe they don't know about it or don't have any health care expenses), the business can eventually reclaim it...

The restaurant association balked at this, and encouraged businesses to list out the increased cost as a separate line item on the receipt, instead of raising menu prices, basically raising a middle finger and saying "see what you idiots voted for, now you pay for it!" I don't know why I'd be mad that I have to pay for someone's health care. That's sort of how it works, doesn't it?

Since then, it has taken on a life of its own. Some places call it a health care surcharge. Others call it a SF surcharge, or a cost adjustment, or inflation fee. It's not a tax, it's not a service charge, it's not anything but whatever arbitrary number the business wants to charge without raising their menu price. And thus, it's taxable.