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Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by bdangubic on Saturday December 14, 2024 @08:50PM (#42420872)
rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings

that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by quantumfissure on Saturday December 14, 2024 @09:35PM (#42421065)
Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings", based around the usual theatrics of security and terror theater.

Some examples that have been on these lists in the past:

- A school resource officers firearm that accidentally went off when a child hugged around his waist. No injuries (there are other questions, but doesn't qualify in the same way)

- An empty .22 casing found in a random school parking lot, probably fell out of a car or got caught in a boot or similar.

- A gang fight at 1am on a Saturday near to school property.

- My personal favorite: The two schools closest to me that showed up on one of the lists (Everytown, I believe?) because the police were dealing with an active robbery situation about 1/2 mi away and they asked the schools to go into lockdown. Apparently "lockdown" immediately and only ever means schools shooting.

- 2/3rd of school shootings that NPR couldn't verify happened.[1] [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-sch...

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by basisword on Sunday December 15, 2024 @07:00AM (#42422980)
>> Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings"

While I get your point, I think when you have to be concerned about how 'school shooting' is defined your country has a big problem.

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by bdangubic on Sunday December 15, 2024 @01:12PM (#42424915)
amen :) when you start weeding through thousands of things to find “silver lining” you have already lost (US has lost all sense of protecting our children a long time ago and it is nonsense like this that is poisoning people’s brains in defense of 2nd amendment (err gun lobbyists…)
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by Izkata on Sunday December 15, 2024 @01:17PM (#42424948)
Their point is how much media hysteria hypes things up, and people from other countries accepting that distorted view of the country as normal here.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by zdragnar on Saturday December 14, 2024 @09:31PM (#42421047)
And the vast majority of those are accidental, drive by, and "escalation of dispute" per your link. These are not the kinds of shootings that parents want kids to be texting about, these are run of the mill gang activity.

The mass violence shootings that you hear about on TV where anyone and everyone might be a victim are the exception, not the norm.

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by bdangubic on Saturday December 14, 2024 @09:35PM (#42421063)
guessing you just might not be a parent yet…
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by zdragnar on Saturday December 14, 2024 @10:20PM (#42421227)
When you live in a city with lots of crime and there's a shooting in the parking lot of the school at one in the morning, it's not really something that needs an urgent text from the kids.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by bdangubic on Saturday December 14, 2024 @11:22PM (#42421439)
I definitely agree. If my kid went to school in south side chicago I’d get bored getting texts 291 times per day, yea
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by zdragnar on Sunday December 15, 2024 @10:02AM (#42423764)
I think you've missed my point.

Yes, I want to know these things happen.

No, they are not such an emergency that my kid needs to be taking time from class to text me about it.

Most schools in areas with lots of crime or gang activity have metal detectors and other security at the doors. Violence is happening off hours, or between gang members either off campus (but close enough to warrant bringing people inside) or at the edges.

In a country with hundreds of millions of people, a thousand over four years is not exactly a rounding error given that it is concentrated in a few areas, but still close enough that the vast majority will never experience it in their lives.

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by bdangubic on Sunday December 15, 2024 @01:16PM (#42424936)
this is a good thing I can talk to my kid about… there’s this Earth and on this Earth there is this Country where based on number of people that live there vast majority will not experience being gunned down in what should be 2nd safest place you can be. no other country on Earth has these issues, even ones that are 5x+ size of this one. But you know, statistically speaking you should technically be OK…
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by tptacek on Monday December 16, 2024 @12:41AM (#42428253)
Don't let me ruin this for you but shootings inside CPS schools are extremely rare.

https://www.chds.us/sssc/data-map/