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Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by betaby on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:25AM (#42399916)
RCMP called to investigate multiple cases of veterans being offered medically assisted death

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investig...

We have such news on a ~monthly basis.

Healthcare in Canada is essentially not available. Disability payments are insultingly low.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by xemoka on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:46AM (#42400116)
"Healthcare in Canada is essentially not available" is not the truth. It's not great. It's the worst it's ever been while I've been alive. My uncle recently passed and it's likely caused by an over worked medical system combined with delusional anti-government conspiracies. But it is not "essentially not available", there are many folks currently working their way successfully through our medical system, and coming out with improving outcomes.

Disability payments _are_ insultingly low, but we instead want to give a GST holiday and attempt to buy votes for our current government's inevitable loss.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by fatbird on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:38AM (#42400044)
There are around 50,000 MAID deaths a year now. In the linked story, one employee was fired for making four veterans feel pressured to consider the option of MAID.

This is obviously inappropriate behaviour, but also just as obviously an outlier. And the story you linked here is linked several other times in this thread. If this is happening monthly, there should be many more examples.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by betaby on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:45AM (#42400114)
The problem with MAID is statistically significant.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/some-health-care-workers-...

But in Ontario, more than three quarters of people euthanized when their death wasn’t imminent required disability support before their death in 2023, according to data from a slideshow presentation by the province’s chief coroner, shared with AP by both a researcher and a doctor on condition of anonymity due to its sensitive nature.

Of people killed when they weren’t terminally ill, nearly 29% lived in the poorest parts of Ontario, compared with 20% of the province’s general population living in the most deprived communities, the data show.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by normalaccess on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:05AM (#42400322)
Eugenics 2.0.

  When care becomes killing, we'll have no incentive to save. The weak and the poor are rushed to their graves
Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by fatbird on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:02AM (#42400282)
The story here isn't about problems with MAID, it's about inadequate support for the poor and disabled. Even then, your link is about those patients requesting it, not about it being forced on them.

It's unsurprising to me that someone with few resources and irreversible, painful disability, but lacking an imminent death, would request MAID. I don't see how this is an argument against MAID.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by lucubratory on Thursday December 12, 2024 @07:47PM (#42404958)
What incentive does the government have to increase disability support payments to appropriate levels when the alternative (keeping payments inadequate to force them to kill themselves) is much cheaper for the government and continuously kills people who would otherwise advocate for an increase to disability support payments?
Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by minitech on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:43PM (#42404187)
> But in Ontario, more than three quarters of people euthanized when their death wasn’t imminent required disability support before their death in 2023

conditions meriting euthanasia will also tend to be disabling yes

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by tharmas on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:02AM (#42400284)
I know someone personally who was offered MAID. He had heart failure. Thankfully he refused. Fought the the system and got a heart transplant.

Its being abused in Canada. Its being used as an excuse to get rid of you. You're seen as a burden.

It was originally meant as a way for terminal cancer patients in terrible pain to die but in reality its offered as a way to get rid of you by medical profession.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by barbazoo on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:41PM (#42402599)
> Healthcare in Canada is essentially not available.

Why even claim something like this when it's objectively not true?

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by freddie_mercury on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:11PM (#42402901)
12 cases a year in a country of 40 million people doesn't sound like very much.
Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by Rebelgecko on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:45PM (#42403732)
40 million doesn't seem like the right denominator - how many veterans called the hotline?

They also lost/didn't store phone records so it's totally possi there are more who can't talk about their experiences because they accepted the offer of MAiD

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by tokioyoyo on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:12PM (#42403950)
> Healthcare in Canada is essentially not available.

I'm sorry, but it's not that black and white. Given how much the healthcare system has done for my family (for all the happy and sad things) over here basically for free, making such blanket statements is very disingenuous.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by upofadown on Thursday December 12, 2024 @06:07PM (#42404350)
It is illegal to counsel suicide in Canada. There are some exceptions involving discussions with medical professionals. So what that person did was explicitly illegal. Hence the involvement of law enforcement.

>We have such news on a ~monthly basis.

Reference required. I follow Canadian news and have not seen such stories.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by northernman on Thursday December 12, 2024 @07:06PM (#42404728)
> Healthcare in Canada is essentially not available.

Do you live in Canada??

This is a ridiculous comment - healthcare is broadly available, especially for critical conditions.