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Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by rmbyrro on Thursday December 12, 2024 @07:48AM (#42398709)
Careful who you wish on your door...
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by weard_beard on Thursday December 12, 2024 @08:13AM (#42398849)
This is America. If they want to come knock on my door without identifying themselves they'll get worse treatment than their drone.
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by tuyiown on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:01AM (#42399177)
I don't know much about america, but after shooting down a secret drone, you really would assume that people knocking at your door really is the situation you think it is ?
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by KumaBear on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:04AM (#42399193)
People like this talk a big game but the warrant will be written and they will comply. Always the online warriors that act tough but always fold.
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by pjc50 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:37AM (#42400034)
Not just that, there are plenty of documented instances of people being shot dead for being suspected of holding a gun. Do people really think they can just shoot a cop, close their front door, and go back to living their life?
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by next_xibalba on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:57AM (#42399657)
Or they will end up in situation that in most cases will end in their death. Which seems so obvious that they must be suicidal. Law enforcement can bring far more force to bear than a single person can defend against.
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by hnpolicestate on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:45AM (#42400109)
HN has so much boot in its mouth. Authority says jump and you guys ask how high.
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by jf22 on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:14PM (#42410903)
We are talking about a life and death situation. Preserving my own life in the face of deadly violence is in my self-interest.
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by mrguyorama on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:35AM (#42399448)
All this talk about "2nd amendment is about deposing tyranny" and yet they weren't the ones protesting the wars in the middle east and the Patriot act, two recent and objectively tyrannical acts.

In fact, we know that the gun nuts in the US were broadly on the side of SUPPORTING those two things.

Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by next_xibalba on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:58AM (#42399678)
I think you're importing heavy bias into your interpretation. 2A types are interested in deposing tyranny when its directed against them by their own government. Not tyranny anywhere on the face of the Earth. If that's true, and I do believe it is, it is not at all incompatible with foreign wars, whether one believes they're tyrannical or not.
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by mrguyorama on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:57PM (#42401523)
Full transparency: I think the only "Tyranny" that "2A types" care about is a law banning guns. They seem to love the militarization of the police, police having zero accountability ("They do a hard job", so do I but I don't get to shoot someone cause I was spooked and then go on vacation), and literally vote for Trump, who objectively has done more to remove gun rights than any democrat since clinton.

An absurd amount of the most aggressive 2A types are literally just cops, you know, the actual boot that would stand on the neck in any tyranny situation. They'll scream and cry about the ATF and then talk with their cop buddies while smoking some MJ, in a state without recreational cannabis laws.

In short, they are dishonest, whether they are smart enough to realize it or not.

Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by scarecrowbob on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:43PM (#42401993)
I agree.

To be clear, I have a lot of guns, but it's not because I have any special love of the US BoR or even a belief that they are useful against state actors. Or, even a real enjoyment of shooting.

I have guns because my neighbors all have guns and think queer/trans/atheist/lefty/etc folks are literally demonic. They are explicitly waiting for any suspension of regular government in which they can play their fantasy of a "purge". I'd much rather be collecting pretty dresses, but this is how it is where I live.

I would say that the parent comment is accurate in noting 2A loving folks don't want government authority applied to -them-, but it's -only- to them and many are living in the privileged fantasy that this power will never be applied to them and only to their grievances- hence the boot licking they do.

I don't think that's dishonesty, I think it is delusional. And they generally go from being "normal conservatives" to out right fascists just as soon as that fantasy weakens even a little.

Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by mindslight on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:44PM (#42402001)
> 2A types are interested in deposing tyranny when its directed against them by their own government

The NRA's complete silence on the murder of Breonna Taylor by government agents, as retaliation for Kenneth Walker exercising his 2A natural right to self defense (at home at night!). I'm unable to find a kind way of explaining that away. "Freedom" culture seems to have become just as post-reality detached from effective values as everything else.

Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by afthonos on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:23AM (#42399339)
I like the idea that the government will show up without identifying themselves just so people can live out their fantasy of shooting someone without getting into trouble.

They will absolutely identify themselves. The reason you should be worried is the endless, expensive process you’ll be subjected to after they knock on your door.

Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by lazyasciiart on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:38PM (#42401955)
Apparently they didn’t identify themselves to Breonna Taylor. It’s probably happened more than once.
Re:Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'st... by jf22 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:59AM (#42400916)
What will you do?

Are you going to shoot people for knocking on your door?