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Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by crazygringo on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:46PM (#42391263)
Only federal crimes can be pardoned by the president.

Everything here is state-level. The next president can't touch any of it.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by baggachipz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @02:43PM (#42391936)
They've already suspended his sentencing indefinitely due to the election win.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by crazygringo on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @03:41PM (#42392713)
That's a non-sequitur.

Justice departments don't go after presidents or president-elects in order to prevent a constitutional crisis. Impeachment is the remedy in that case.

This policy is entirely unrelated to presidential pardon power.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by altcognito on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @08:33PM (#42395200)
You're not going after a "President". You are going after a law breaker. He can be President all day long in jail.

The reality is that we've codified that Presidents are largely unable to be investigated and or held to account by the legal system. There was no carve outs in the constitution at any point for anybody in government. This is a new, and probably fatal invention.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by crazygringo on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:38PM (#42401957)
> The reality is that we've codified that Presidents are largely unable to be investigated and or held to account by the legal system.

They can be investigated and held to account by Congress. That's what impeachment is. That's the whole point of having impeachment in the constitution.

If Congress fails to exercise its constitutional duty, then the problem lies with the specific representatives that place party above country.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by dllthomas on Friday December 13, 2024 @12:13AM (#42406092)
It feels really gross that he was acquitted in the second impeachment partly because he argued that criminal court was the appropriate venue for the issue, and then turned around and argued in criminal court that he was immune for not having been convicted in the impeachment.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by altcognito on Tuesday December 24, 2024 @07:35PM (#42506009)
I apologize for not getting back to you earlier on this (if you see it at all!)

We've seen it fail over and over. They won't investigate their own seriously, and even when they find the grossest violations of law, they cover it up.

The idea that there will be justice by the voters is laughable.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by dllthomas on Friday December 13, 2024 @12:11AM (#42406080)
> He can be President all day long in jail.

Playing devil's advocate, at least in part...

In practice, he cannot perform many of the duties of the office effectively - or perhaps at all - from jail.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and it says he should be President (given the outcome of the process we had). The laws that say he should be in jail are subordinate to the Constitution and so rightly lose out in the minimum way practicable - a delay in sentencing.

...

I do have problems with some of what I've written here, but it seems like a sensible position that could be held unreservedly by someone who disagrees with me on a few questions of fact that do have a subjective component.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by freejazz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @03:14PM (#42392364)
Who? Trump? What does that have to do with anything?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by jazzyjackson on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @03:19PM (#42392441)
Well supposedly federal govt can't intervene in state cases but the conviction against trump is at the state level, so why isn't he being sentenced? Because power isn't about rules.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by johnnyanmac on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @04:25PM (#42393163)
As others said above, the president has certain immunities to prevent constitutional crises. But that's only for the president, and it's not part of his pardoning powers (which wouldn't work here anyway).
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by jazzyjackson on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @06:13PM (#42394124)
So why isn't he going to jail for felony falsification of business records (forget the classified records case, he's not meant to be immune from that but here we are)

My point is that power is not about what the law says, it's about what people can get away with through their relations with other people.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by johnnyanmac on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:18AM (#42396442)
Trump or Jones?

I agree but the cases are very different. There's not much worth comparing them. It's different kinds of corruption.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by freejazz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @05:56PM (#42393979)
His conviction wasn't overturned, they are just delaying his sentencing because he's now going to be the president again. He's not doing it by any power of the federal gov't.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by jazzyjackson on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @06:11PM (#42394103)
Exactly, there's no rule (certainly no federal rule) that says a guy can't go to jail just because he was elected president. So why isn't he? Because he has power that is not assigned to him by any law. He is a bully with a cult of personality that makes people fear him and/or act as his sycophants.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by throw16180339 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @03:12PM (#42392343)
I wouldn't bet on this. Trump can use a punitive executive order to pressure the state until the governor pardons Alex Jones.