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Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by ARandomerDude on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:04PM (#42389961)
When has it been otherwise? See also: Hunter Biden.
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Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:53PM (#42390587)
> The Hunter Biden pardon literally set historical precedent.

It followed a long-established historical precedent.

Clinton pardoned his brother (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controvers...). The Bushes pardoned their Iran Contra cronies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby_clemency_controv...). Trump pardoned his son-in-law's father (and now appointed him to be the French ambassador; https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charles-kushner-nominatio...). Pardons have always garnered controversy.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by capybaraStorm on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:09PM (#42390781)
I promise this is an honest question: has ANY president since the civil war reconciliation blanket pardoned someone for an entire decade for all known and unknown federal crimes?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:10PM (#42390799)
There's a pretty big obvious example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

> Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by capybaraStorm on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:13PM (#42390831)
That is damn close. This one is quite interesting in and of its twice as long and concerns someone who doesn't have the kind of immunity presidents have recently been under scrutiny for possibly having.

Another interesting thing I found about Hunter's pardon was that the president openly said isolated prosecutions of lying on the 4473 are unfairly targeted, but then baffling only pardoned his son for it.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by Pxtl on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:27PM (#42390998)
Ford. For Nixon.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by strbean on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:31PM (#42402478)
Not quite a decade, and not as broad in terms of what crimes are covered, but much bigger in terms of scope:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by HumblyTossed on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:02PM (#42390707)
Biden wouldn't have to preemptively pardon anyone if there were not about to be a shit ton of sham prosecutions.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by capybaraStorm on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:20PM (#42390902)
If you think prosecutions are shams for the elite, wait until you see what they look like against the plebs.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by davidw on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:30PM (#42390300)
It's never 0 or 100. But it does ebb and flow, and boy is it about to flow.

Comparing one guy who was in the hot seat only because of his surname to the incoming shit storm is risible.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by Natsu on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:59PM (#42390669)
Can you point us to videos of other people doing lots of federal drug & gun crimes who get away with it?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by davidw on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @05:25PM (#42393726)
They rejected a plea deal. That almost never happens. He was 100% guilty of some things, but they wanted to drag out the whole process for publicity rather than to actually do some semblance of 'justice'.

And some of these incoming people threatened to keep going after him just to inflict pain on his father.

These are no longer the party of Romney and McCain. "The cruelty is the point".

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by Natsu on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:10AM (#42400392)
> They rejected a plea deal. That almost never happens

They rejected it because it was worded to absolve him of all crimes, not just those charged, and the judge found the parties did not agree on which interpretation was correct so there was no agreement. It is completely appropriate for the court to want to know exactly what the plea agreement covers and to make sure both sides actually agree on the meaning of it. They could have ended it by coming up with a simple, normal plea agreement that doesn't have that strange ambiguity.

If anything, that looks more like an attempt to do a backdoor non-pardon pardon than some kind of persecution. It was only "dragged out" because Biden's DoJ did not agree in court with Hunter Biden's lawyers on what they had actually agreed to.

And despite the "they" in your sentence seeming to refer to Republicans in some capacity, from start to finish, the Hunter Biden prosecution was done by Joe Biden's Department of Justice. You may complain that the judge was appointed by Trump, but the charges couldn't have been brought to begin with without Biden's DoJ authorizing it.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by josteink on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @02:55PM (#42392106)
> Comparing one guy who was in the hot seat only because of his surname

There exists boatloads of concrete evidence Hunter Biden was guilty of several categories of crimes, related to drugs, corruption, illegal firearms and child prostitutes.

There’s a reason he had to be pardoned by Joe, right? He essentially created a “the full laptop” pardon, complete unprecedented.

Any other person guilty of half these things would be in for life.

You got it backwards. He didn’t get a shit storm due to his last name. He got a free pass due to it.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by Pxtl on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:26PM (#42390992)
The only reason Biden pardoned his son was that Trump explicitly said he was going to use the DoJ for a punitive witch-hunt. No father would ever subject their child to that.

If Harris had won, Biden would not have pardoned Hunter. Likely Harris would've pardoned him in a year or two after he'd seen prison.