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Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green." by dotancohen on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:03PM (#42367962)
Only people with formal training in logic, or those who work with formal definitions of logic, have trouble with this aspect of the puzzles.

Trying to return to your more naive understanding of logic not only helps understand the intent of the puzzle, it also makes the puzzle more fun.

Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green." by garciasn on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:15PM (#42368052)
> it also makes the puzzle more fun.

No; it makes the puzzle illogical and thus about as much fun, for those who prefer logical outcomes, as discussing religion or politics.

Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green." by dotancohen on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:28PM (#42368926)
That could be - in my country religion and politics is literally a matter of life or death. We discuss them to no end.
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green." by eblume on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:12PM (#42368027)
I'm genuinely perplexed by this, how is the puzzle even a puzzle if you don't judge it by formal logic?
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green." by gosub100 on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:22PM (#42368107)
It's still useful for young people or those who have never stopped to consider it. I think it's a good introduction to the warts of a context sensitive grammar
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green." by dotancohen on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:27PM (#42368918)
Because in everyday life we do not formally define ideas.

Just for example I play a game with my children where we tickle each other when we see a yellow vehicle. Is a yellow tractor a vehicle for purpose of the game? How about a yellow baby cart. How about a billboard with a photograph of a yellow baby's toy car?

We honestly have more fun discussing what is a vehicle for purpose of the game than we do tickling. Especially when it becomes clear that a yellow baby carriage is a vehicle only if it is daddy to be tickled... Honestly a good lesson to learn early that life is not fair and that rules are subjective.

Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green." by LudwigNagasena on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:39PM (#42369049)
Reminds me of "The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”", https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453856