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Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by dyauspitr on Sunday December 08, 2024 @10:42PM (#42362894)
Every bodybuilder that has been through a testosterone cycle can attest to the drastic increase in lust. I have a hard time believing this study.
Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by hombre_fatal on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:10AM (#42363221)
Adding exogenous testosterone to the system might be very different than relying on the system's own T production.

It's reasonable that there are more homeostatic effects (upstream and downstream of the T) when you're just working with your body's own testosterone even if it's on the high end of the ref range. You may skip a lot of that when you inject it.

Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by falcor84 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @10:58PM (#42362968)
I only skimmed it so far but am having trouble believing it too. All their regression lines very clearly show a positive association between the variables, and it seems that they only failed to reject the null hypothesis because they didn't have a large enough sample size.

Also, regarding the bodybuilders, note that this study only measured the normal "day-to-day changes", and if we were to extrapolate their findings, it would likely show a much larger association when given exogenous testosterone.

Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by gdudeman on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:02AM (#42363199)
Are you talking about ”normal” variations in testosterone like plus or minus 10-20% or like doubling?
Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by ttul on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:29AM (#42363518)
The study was evaluating human-produced testosterone, not exogenous testosterone supplementation. If you take testosterone, it has been shown to increase sexual desire and is an approved treatment for sexual desire disorders. This is not what the study analyzed.
Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by yyuugg on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:06AM (#42363677)
Are those body builders controlling for other variables? Changes in diet, exercise, performances, routines, etc?

I'd believe any number of things could correlate with body builders as they spend a lot of time changing their bodies.

Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by dyauspitr on Monday December 09, 2024 @11:29AM (#42367665)
I believe anecdotally that a lot of bodybuilders get on a T cycle after atleast a year or so of spending a lot of time in the gym natty. So noticing a relative difference might normalize for the other changes.
Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by GeoAtreides on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:42AM (#42364174)
That's great! Not believing studies, I mean. They're not religious artefacts handed down by gods above

What you _can_ do, is read the study, especially the introduction, where it states what the study is about, the methods, which describe how the actual study went in real life, and the conclusion, which summarizes what we've learned from this.

After doing this, you can then maybe try a synthesis between the study thesis and your antithesis? Y'know, something a bit more substantial than a random drive-by comment

Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by dyauspitr on Monday December 09, 2024 @11:28AM (#42367646)
I did read the abstract. It did mention that they relied on internally created T but then the title is a bit misleading.
Re:Testosterone, sexual desire and courtship efforts associa... by readthenotes1 on Monday December 09, 2024 @08:07AM (#42365950)
"I have a hard time believing this study."

Until the data has been scrutinized and the study replicated it's not worth paying a second of attention to.