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Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by jraph on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:44PM (#42361390)
Children are totally targeted. They will ask their parents and put pressure to buy them stuff. Maybe even the parents who don't cave in can be relieved of this.

In the longer term, stuff that enters your brain as a child shapes you and lasts long. See how well how many people in their 30s remember ads of their childhood.

Why would someone defend such ads anyway? I don't believe they achieve anything good for anyone except the advertiser.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by phyzix5761 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:13PM (#42361564)
Its because I don't want the government, people who I've never met in person and honestly are not the most moral of individuals, making moral decisions for my children on my behalf.

Even if the majority of citizens agreed that forcing their morality on the minority is the right thing to do I still disagree because individual freedom is more important than majority opinion.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by dijksterhuis on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:19PM (#42361953)
> I still disagree because individual freedom is more important than majority opinion.

this read suspiciously like a stereotypical US opinion regarding individual rights vs rights of the majority.

so i went and looked through your comment history and i now i suspect even more strongly that you are US based.

> Its because I don't want the government, people who I've never met in person and honestly are not the most moral of individuals, making moral decisions for my children on my behalf.

it’s not your government doing this. you can relax.

also, we in the UK value the balance between individual rights and collective societal rights more strongly than you do. it’s our thing. if you don’t like it, it doesnt matter, you don’t live here.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by phyzix5761 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:20PM (#42362257)
Just because someone doesn't live in a particular region doesn't mean they can't have opinions on broader implications of these reforms.
Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by dijksterhuis on Monday December 09, 2024 @10:24AM (#42367036)
sure, except there are no broader implications for you right now.

worry about that when it comes around pal. you’re just wasting energy right now spreading FUD.

what im basically saying here is, yes, you’re entitled to have an opinion.

but i’m also entitled to have an opinion that your opinion is meaningless and irrelevant to the subject at hand.

which is what i am expressing.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by randomcarbloke on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @04:42AM (#42375297)
It's my government doing it and I can confirm they're right it is overreach.

I'm allowed to say that right, you won't attack me for having an opinion?

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by robertlagrant on Monday December 09, 2024 @10:12AM (#42366911)
> this read suspiciously like a stereotypical US opinion regarding individual rights vs rights of the majority.

Good. Majorities shouldn't be able to steamroller minorities.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by devinrf on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:57PM (#42368542)
> "we in the UK value the balance between individual rights and collective societal rights more strongly than you do"

isn't this also the place where you can go to jail for what you say online? orwell's probably rolling in his grave somewhere in London

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by MiguelX413 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:55PM (#42361820)
What's the point of laws if not forcing morality?
Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by phyzix5761 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:19PM (#42362254)
Protecting individual rights and freedoms
Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by jraph on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:48AM (#42363599)
Not at the cost of harming people, usually. Its role is also to protect individuals themselves.

Infinite individual freedom doesn't exist, it stops where others' individual freedom starts.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by phyzix5761 on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:10AM (#42363987)
Absolutely. Individuals should have rights and freedoms as long as they don't harm another's.
Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by alex_lav on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:53PM (#42368497)
> Not at the cost of harming people,

What defines harm? Or more specifically, who?

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by MiguelX413 on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @03:54PM (#42381356)
I agree.
Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by jraph on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:42AM (#42363577)
> Its because I don't want the government, people who I've never met in person and honestly are not the most moral of individuals, making moral decisions for my children on my behalf.

But without the law, they are doing the moral decision of allowing the hurtful ads. There's no neutral state. The government has to pick a side anyway. So let's pick the side favorable to the citizens?

> individual freedom is more important than majority opinion

Isn't this a contradiction? If the majority wants something, you are hurting the individual freedom of the greatest number of people.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by phyzix5761 on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:09AM (#42363983)
> But without the law, they are doing the moral decision of allowing the hurtful ads. There's no neutral state. The government has to pick a side anyway. So let's pick the side favorable to the citizens?

The idea of the government 'picking a side' is problematic because it assumes a one-size-fits-all solution that may not align with everyone's values. Allowing ads isn't endorsing them; it's respecting freedom of speech and trusting individuals to make their own choices. Once the government starts deciding which speech is acceptable, it opens the door for abuse and subjective enforcement, which can harm citizens more than it helps.

The free market should decide whether they want to be exposed to ads or not by voting with their dollars. If an ad campaign doesn't produce the results a company wants they pull the ads and try something else.

> Isn't this a contradiction? If the majority wants something, you are hurting the individual freedom of the greatest number of people.

Individual freedom means the freedom to do, say, or think whatever you please as long as you don't harm another or their property. The will of the majority to force the minority to behave a certain way is not freedom. The majority is free to act however they want as long as it doesn't harm others but they shouldn't be allowed to force others to behave a certain way.

Majority opinion can lead to tyranny if it infringes on the rights of individuals. History offers countless examples of majorities oppressing minorities. The role of a just society is to protect each person's right to life, liberty, and property, even when the majority disagrees.

The focus should be on safeguarding universal rights rather than catering to the fluctuating preferences of a majority.

Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by bdzr on Monday December 09, 2024 @10:49AM (#42367308)
Don't forget that this emboldens the government to define what is and isn't healthy. Something that's worked out super well in the US.
Re:UK bans daytime TV ads for cereals, muffins and burgers by alex_lav on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:52PM (#42368479)
Shame I had to scroll this far to get to this comment. I have absolutely no idea why, in 2024, people still think we should let the government decide what is good/what we can see/what others can say.