Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by somedude895 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:35AM (#42355873)

Anything that weakens Iran and its proxies is good news. They‘ve been the main reason for instability in the region. The cutting of supply routes to Hezbollah is another nail in the coffin for a militia that‘s kept Lebanon from eventually becoming a functional state, instead keeping it in perpetual war or near-war with Israel, which only serves Iran and the people Iran supports financially. Iran has torpedoed any attempts at normalizing relationships between Arabs and Israel even though most in the region just want to move on and prosper. It also weakens Russian influence in the region, who’ve had the same aim as Iran: Sow chaos and destruction to weaken US allies and prevent anyone aligned with the US from taking the lead in the region.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by vFunct on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:14AM (#42356012)

But this strengthens Israel in the region which is not good, unless if you fully support Jews genociding Palestinians in order to build their Mediterranean resort villas.

None of the actors in the region are good. America doesn’t have to support any of them, especially Israel, which is based on a religion that has genocide as a core moral in Deuteronomy 20:16-17.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:09AM (#42355992)

How do people here think an Islamist government will be also anti-Iran? They have 99% of the same goals with Assad out of the picture.

There's a ton of other wrong in your comment (as if Hezbollah, alone, hindered Lebanon from being a functional state and not the decades of war and brutal massacres of their civilians), but let's focus on the main thing.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by rwyinuse on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:38AM (#42356123)

Basic psychology. Iran has tried to kill these rebel forces since the Arab Spring, and now you think they will suddenly become friends of Iran once in power? Not going to happen.

As far as Lebanon goes, decades of wars are mainly a result of Lebanon's dysfunctional sectarian political system. But having Hezbollah run around and exchange fire with Israel doesn't improve the already bad situation.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:23PM (#42359612)

But basically psychology vs the core of their foundational ideology? Idk, their ultimate goals are clearly similar to Iran's. Former enemies have become allies many times in this region.

Decades of wars have nothing to do with Israel invading the country and installing the extreme right wing Fascist inspired Phalange party into power after 1982? The very event which led to the founding of Hezbollah? Okay

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fldskfjdslkfj on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:43AM (#42356142)

Iran are shia and the rebels are sunni - two groups that hate each other and have been battling each other throughout the middle east.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:26PM (#42359649)

Hamas is Sunni and Iran is Shia. Sunni and Shia don't really matter in these contexts. And if you think Islamist rebels hate Shias more than they hate Israel and the USA, it's a toss-up, imo

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fldskfjdslkfj on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:49PM (#42360894)

If it didn't matter then all the arab nation would all be aligned, but it matters and they aren't. The Saudis vs Iran is still driving a lot of the faction movement in the region.

The Sunni world is mostly fine with Israel, other than Hamas of course, which is why Hamas had to work with Iran (although it seems like it backfired on Iran)

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:29PM (#42361285)

I feel like you are intentionally saying ridiculous things, so really no point in talking. The idea that "the Sunni world is mostly fine with Israel" is such a ridiculous idea it's not worth discussing further with you.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fldskfjdslkfj on Monday December 09, 2024 @06:17AM (#42365078)

Ah, lets see, Sunni countries with diplomatic relations with Israel:

Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Sudan, Bahrain and the Saudis (through back channels)

It's just a fact, there's absolutely nothing ridiculous about what I said, if anything Sunni regimes are more worried about Iran than israel.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by somedude895 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:14AM (#42356488)

Iran has been propping up Asad's regime for years now by providing weapons and fighters from Hezbollah and Shia militas in Iraq in the fight against the rebels.

The Iranian embassy in Damascus has been stormed by rebels and protestors as we speak.

Time will tell, but my point stands: Iran and its proxies (and Russia for that matter) are the only meaningful actors interested in keeping the area around Israel destabilized.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:25PM (#42359633)

I am aware of the history. But your assertion that only Iran wishes to attack Israel is untrue. Al-Qaedas very foundational idea was to hurt the Saudi government for allying with the US (and by extension Israel). And these rebels are all former Al-Qaeda or worse.

You think they will be pro-Western before they will be anti-Israel? It's a very risky gamble to make.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by somedude895 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:59PM (#42363188)

They don‘t have to be pro anything. Al Julani’s family themselves had to flee the Golan heights due to Israel’s occupation, so I doubt they‘ll become best friends. All I‘m saying is it weakens Iran and that‘s a good thing. Few in the area are enthusiastic about Israel, but most of them are at a point where they just want to move on.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aprilthird2021 on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:49AM (#42364210)

But most of the countries in the area are dictatorships, where they don't need to abide by public sentiment. Public sentiment in almost all these countries is that they want to stop what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Egypt's one and only election was to elect a leader who promised to change that, and he was of course deposed by the military (with Israeli help). If the rebels do set up a government where the voices of the people are heard, it will be bad for Israel (and vis a vis, good for Iran, presumably).

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by throwaway2037 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:11AM (#42356483)

    > Iran has torpedoed any attempts at normalizing relationships between Arabs and Israel

What about the recent peace/trade deals between Israel and UAE and Qatar? The Qatar one was most surprising to me because Qatar has excellent relations with Iran, partly due to their sharing of one of the world's largest natural gas fields.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by somedude895 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:21AM (#42356514)

So far it's been one step forward, one step back, due to Iran, see the now frozen rapprochement between Saudi and Israel. But thankfully all signs point to Iran's influence waning, which is now accelerating in part thanks to Israel ignoring the Biden administration's calls for another premature ceasefire that would only allow Iran to rearm their proxies and keep the untenable status quo that ultimately harms everybody in the area alike.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by throwaway2037 on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @08:19AM (#42376552)

    > see the now frozen rapprochement between Saudi and Israel.

As I understand, this has nothing to do with Iran, and everything to do with the Saudis want a promise for two state solution before they will agree to a treaty with Israel.

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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by mcmoor on Sunday December 08, 2024 @10:57PM (#42362958)

There's a certain Iran enemy that has a much much bigger incentive to prop lots of instability in the region

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