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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tptacek on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:52AM (#42355681)
I don't know that "what kind of news is it" is the right way to look at this. Things happen, without a reckoning of whether they are convenient or inconvenient to the most powerful military forces in the world. The people who just overthrew the Ba'athists are Salafists; their leader has (had?) a $10MM price on his head from the US for leading the al-Nusra front, which was (is?) al-Qaeda in Syria, and was almost a component of ISIS (HTS => IS-Ish). It's not who most people on HN would pick to overthrow Assad! But then again: why would any of us have a say in who overthrew Assad?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by throwup238 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:30AM (#42355844)
> The people who just overthrew the Ba'athists are Salafists; their leader has (had?) a $10MM price on his head from the US for leading the al-Nusra front, which was (is?) al-Qaeda in Syria, and was almost a component of ISIS (HTS => IS-Ish).

The Salafists (HTS) sparked this series of events with the November 27 offensive and cut off Hama but it looks like the Southern Front and US backed SFA forces were the ones to actually capture Damascus.

Who overthrew Assad is debatable but the former Al Qaeda affiliate isn’t in control of the capitol. Between the SFA and SDF, they’re only one voice at the table.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by j_maffe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:48AM (#42355911)
HTS was at some point related to al-Qaeda. This hasn't been the case for almost 10 years. The biggest sign that this isn't only appearances is that they've pivoted from religious rhetoric to that of liberation. I don't care who the US has a price on. It's not a sign of anything at this point.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:11AM (#42355998)
Religious rhetoric is the rhetoric of liberation to the people who believe in that religion. Only to outsiders does it seem different, and that's partly why they do it. For the record, I think Assad gone is a win no matter who takes over. I think democracy ultimately is better than brutal suppression, even if it means a country aligns away from my own in the process.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by j_maffe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:16AM (#42356019)
> Religious rhetoric is the rhetoric of liberation to the people who believe in that religion.

That's a blanket statement that's simply untrue. There are plenty of Muslims (arguably the majority) who believe religion shouldn't play a role in politics. Syrians are considered generally leaning towards secularism.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by hackandthink on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:16AM (#42355786)
I do not have a say in it.

But I would prefer a democratic development to Salafist terrorism.

I fear the worst, but it doesn't always have to be like this.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tptacek on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:23AM (#42355819)
It is indeed as if the Nazis were overrun by ISIS, but the ISIS people are saying they're reformed and they're not going to do all the crazy shit ISIS did. On the other hand: look what was there before. Right?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by hackandthink on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:06AM (#42357211)
I just don't know.

I remember ISIS beheading people. Some of these people are still around. Some of them are imprisoned in Kurdish camps. Will they be freed?

The best scenario I can imagine:

Erdogan controls the Islamists and guarantees the security of the people and leaves the Kurds alone.

At some point, even the millions of refugees will be able to return.