In England (and Ireland). One tends to say “The 4th of July”. “July 4th” is an Americanism.
Re:Does Your Code Pass the Turkey Test?
by HideousKojima on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:31PM
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Both "the 4th of July" and "July 4th" are common in American English
Re:Does Your Code Pass the Turkey Test?
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:32PM
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Yes, and only "the 4th of July" is common in UK English.
Only because that's a holiday. The 23rd of March sounds a bit formal here compared to March 23rd, and sounds like it refers to an event or holiday. Wedding invitations might sometimes use that style, for example.
Re:Does Your Code Pass the Turkey Test?
by brudgers on Friday December 06, 2024 @11:23PM
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“Independence Day” is the relevant Americanism.
Re:Does Your Code Pass the Turkey Test?
by lostlogin on Friday December 06, 2024 @07:14PM
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> The natural flow in English is MDY
In your English maybe. That’s just not a good argument.
That’s highly specific to the US. Most other English-speaking countries say “the Fourth of July”. To me it feels weird to say July fourth.
Re:Does Your Code Pass the Turkey Test?
by LimeLimestone on Friday December 06, 2024 @07:45PM
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"July fourth" kinda sounds like there are multiple Julies this year and this is the fourth one :D
Re:Does Your Code Pass the Turkey Test?
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:23PM
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> The natural flow in English is MDY, e.g. July 4th, 2024.
I'm sure that's true. This seems more like US custom than the whole English language. "July 4th" sound a bit forced and not natural to me, and I am a native English speaker. Not US English though.
Re:Does Your Code Pass the Turkey Test?
by SideburnsOfDoom on Saturday December 07, 2024 @04:40AM
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> I'm sure that's true.
I accidentally an important word there. It should be "I'm not sure that's true." It's an English expression that's a bit understated: it means "I'm confident that this is wrong".
You can't always argue from "what feels natural" - that's prone to mere familiarity (1), and someone else who is more used to the other way will have the opposite "feel". It's subjective, and not universal.
This is a language issue. DMY makes perfect sense in languages where you'd normally say the date in that sequence. The "problem" is that English doesn't do that. The natural flow in English is MDY, e.g. July 4th, 2024. That not how Germanic language (at least those I know) works. In Danish or German you'd say "4th July, 2024", that's just how those languages work.
I do agree that for computing ISO 8601 is the way to go as it sorts correctly.