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Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by throw_pm23 on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:03PM (#42342293)
No, this is about common rules for everyone. Campaign material had to be marked as such and campaign finances had to be declared. One candidate blatantly failed to do so and won the first round. The court took a bold decision.
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by jahewson on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:43PM (#42342780)
That implies campaign material and finances are capable of swinging an election, surely that affirms the statement you’re replying to? Namely:

> the general public is so easily influenceable that allowing them to vote is a danger for democracy

I hate to admit it but he’s got a point. My counter would be that the recent US election was not won by the biggest spender.

Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by ben_w on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:20PM (#42343212)
If campaign material was not capable of changing the minds of the electorate, nobody would waste time effort and money on it.

Free speech is valuable and worth defending specifically because it has the potential to change minds, not just because people like the sounds of their own voices.

(For the recent US election, people also point to Musk buying Twitter and getting his president of choice and saying this demonstrates why Musk is smart and $44bn was worth it, so are you sure it wasn't won by the biggest spenders?)

Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by jdasdf on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:09PM (#42342362)
Can you show me where the EU disclose its compaign financing for the romanian presidential election? They've certainly been putting the finger down in the scales far more than the russians
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by cbg0 on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:10PM (#42343111)
The EU don't have to disclose something like that, as Romania has a central authority that handles this stuff, as per the law:

> The collection of electoral contributions and the payment of electoral expenses may be made only through bank accounts notified in advance to the Permanent Electoral Authority.

The EU is not involved in directly financing candidates or political parties in Romania, they've already given us tens of billions of dollars to develop our country.

Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by jdasdf on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:12PM (#42343131)
>The EU is not involved in directly financing candidates or political parties in Romania, they've already given us tens of billions of dollars to develop our country.

Wow, seems like they're spent tens of billions of dollars in long term election interference campaigns. Are we going to see the politicians elected going to jail over it?

Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by avianlyric on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:36PM (#42343422)
Tens of billions of dollars of development funding, which Romania obviously wanted, given they went through the trouble of joining the EU, and then went through the trouble of getting hold of the EU cash and spending it.

Not quite the same as external party spending huge amounts of cash running political campaigns, while ignoring all the local rules about campaigning. After all Romania didn’t have to accept the EU cash, or spent it. The EU doesn’t force countries to join, just so they can give them billions of euros in the hopes of interfering in a political process years later. A political process that’s only important, because of the development funding. Much easier and cheaper to simpler not get involved, and allow those countries to struggle alone.

Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by cbg0 on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:31PM (#42343351)
Your facetious comment doesn't really add anything to the conversation, this isn't Reddit.
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by Almondsetat on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:17PM (#42342455)
The Romanian court had evidence of Russia putting the finger down and breaking the rules. You, on the other hand, are just accusing.
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by jdasdf on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:07PM (#42343070)
Oh? Is there some dispute that did EU called Tik Tok about these elections? https://apnews.com/article/romania-tiktok-elections-european...

If Russia had called them in for not blocking or censoring pro-EU candidates would you not have called that election interference?

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Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by tdb7893 on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:49PM (#42342868)
First, as far as I can tell you're equating likely foreign state propaganda with what appears to be a diffuse meme organization so they can't be assumed to be the same thing.

Secondly, for political messages it should be clear who the message is coming from! If this organization is coordinating messages that should be public (though from looking them up it sounds like they are already fairly public with it).

Open, fair, and honest elections are important. People always whine on about what the other side is doing but I want that fixed, too and I would gladly work with anyone that wants to fix both but sadly it's much more common to see continuous deflections to the other side (because they know their side is indefensible) rather than a desire for real change.

Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by Calavar on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:15PM (#42342438)
It's really hard to take this line of argument seriously. Drawing parallels between a Twitter meme account run by a half dozen guys and a state intelligence apparatus is absurd.
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by ossobuco on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:28PM (#42342574)
Those "half dozen guys" are actually thousands of coordinated accounts. They had an official summit in Vilnius during the NATO summit, with official visitors such as ministers and presidents.
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by Calavar on Friday December 06, 2024 @03:14PM (#42343860)
> with official visitors such as ministers and presidents

Okay, name two presidents who visited the NAFO summit.

Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by warkdarrior on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:15PM (#42342429)
WTF is "NAFO"?
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by pomian on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:19PM (#42342466)
Look it up. It's a fascinating system of the global hacker mindset fighting Russian propaganda.
Re:Romanian court annuls result of presidential election fir... by vasac on Friday December 06, 2024 @04:30PM (#42344675)
Comic relief.