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Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by delecti on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @06:10PM (#42323066)
> Your job dictates your insurance, not you, and most jobs [...]

This is answering the question with a very narrow focus on what any one person can do. Sure, when I filled out my job's open enrollment last month, there was no checkbox labeled "Evil Corporation Insurer (y/n)", but there's no inviolable law of nature that requires the US to be this way.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by t-writescode on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @07:54PM (#42323705)
I agree! There's no inviolable law.

What there _is_, is too much pain and too many spoons that each and every person needs to manage every day, and most (nearly all) people are unable/unwilling to let even more important things drop.

We also have crab mentality in the US, where if one person hopes for, or even gets, something better, they're pulled back down.

And we have an efficient, powerful propaganda machine that tricks people into voting against specific areas of their interests - see "I love ACA, but I hate Obamacare" commentary.

The work to fix this is terrifyingly hard and *huge* and the people that will choose to fight and improve the situation will be making absolutely enormous sacrifices to do it.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by Clubber on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @09:01PM (#42324056)
>I love ACA, but I hate Obamacare

To be fair, ACA passed, and here we are. Healthcare companies are making more than they ever did. Have you considered that powerful propaganda machine works both ways?

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/08/insurer-profits-health-care...

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by Teever on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @09:19PM (#42324160)
Maybe that's because profit obsessed entities who are run by evil people are like the Borg in that they adapt and find ways around obstacles.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:12AM (#42325436)
Think this is a failure of govt to use capitalism as an effective tool. More competition in the insurer space means non-evil players can afford to manage risk
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by t-writescode on Thursday December 05, 2024 @03:30AM (#42326161)
When the company you work for is the one that decides on and buys your insurance, not you, how does a particular insurance company's "non-evil-ness" factor in?
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @08:58AM (#42328274)
If we had more insurance companies instead of a few that dominate the market, then your employer would have more choices. More competing insurance cos would lead some to differentiate by having a reputation of honest claim handling while also not being the most expensive option. It would then at least be possible for an employer to choose better insurance companies.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by anigbrowl on Thursday December 05, 2024 @06:04PM (#42333861)
Why should your employer be the buyer? It's just a way of chaining people to specific jobs. I'm constantly perplexed by people's eagerness to rationalize the structure of an obviously dysfunctional ysstem.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by t-writescode on Thursday December 05, 2024 @07:30PM (#42334552)
I think that's a valid and even __good__ question.

The historical reason for why it's tied to specific jobs is because salaries couldn't raise for a period of time in US history and so jobs started offering other perks, like paying for all or most of your health insurance.

Now, companies get group discounts and still (often) pay meaningful percentages of many employees healthcare, and so getting private insurance is a nonstarter.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:10AM (#42325427)
I think a main root cause of high insurance costs is failure of govt to break up health company monopolies and other impediments to a competitive marketplace like no individual mandate which should make it hard for smaller players to take on risk that they can afford to manage.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by slt2021 on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:26AM (#42325526)
wrong take, companies started consolidated right after ACA passed.

It was less concentrated industry before the ACA.

the fundamental reason is as usual: too much government regulation that was erected with good intentions, but ended up becoming a competitive Moat that reduced the competition and entrenched big players. With that amount of regulation healthcare should be universal like in Canada or UK.

To maintain private healthcare sector, there should be less government

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by Clubber on Thursday December 05, 2024 @06:09AM (#42327004)
>too much government regulation that was erected with good intentions, but ended up becoming a competitive Moat that reduced the competition and entrenched big players.

While I agree with this, that regulations are often championed and even written by entrenched companies to increase the barrier to entry, the government can sue to block any merger they deem a harm to competition. Unfortunately they choose not to.

AI is a good example of this. If the government regulated AI, the only companies who will control and profit from AI are the ones who already have it.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by delecti on Thursday December 05, 2024 @03:42PM (#42332522)
It's not surprising that a law whose goal was increasing the customer base for a service also increased the profits of that industry.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by xnx on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @06:57PM (#42323371)
Exactly. There's a lot of talk about trade and other countries "ripping off he US", but almost no mention that the US pay significantly more for the same drugs sold in other countries.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by MaskedMan on Thursday December 05, 2024 @12:32AM (#42325263)
The narrative that we're getting 'ripped off on trade' is a myth. In the real world, when someone says "I got ripped off" it means they were overcharged for something. In politics, getting 'ripped off on trade' means we're being undercharged by foreign countries, which is apparently less desirable than being overcharged by Americans. Seems like the only trade here is a fake rip-off for a real one.

I wonder how people would respond to a survey that asked: "Would you support policies that aim to increase foreign drug imports to bring down pharmaceutical prices?" and a follow-up: "If yes, what about lumber, steel, etc?" My guess is that many would say yes to question 1, but not apply the same logic to other goods.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by pas on Friday December 06, 2024 @08:59AM (#42339847)
Propaganda is very effective when there's some kernel of truth behind it.

For this trade deficit question the important context is that some trade partners artificially devalue their currency (relative to the USD) to maintain strong export advantage (which therefore directly disadvantages their own people, since their wages are worth less on the global market, ie. when they are importing they have to pay more, when they are going on a vacation abroad they have to pay more, and this is a large chunk of the "missing trade" (the trade deficit), which translates to missing demand for US exporting sectors.

The other important piece of the puzzle is that US residents are also negatively affected by one distinct factor, which is the resource curse of the dollar's reserve currency status. Because due to the exorbitant privilege[1] (of the USD being the de facto global reserve currency) the financial sector is at an advantage compared to other sectors, and it slowly crowds out other economic activity.[2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorbitant_privilege

[2] https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/the-class-politics-...