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Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by nradov on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:51PM (#42321335)
Our healthcare system, to the extent that it was intentionally designed at all, implicitly prioritizes consumer choice and immediate access over cost efficiency. While there are certainly gaps in access and affordability, the typical middle-class voter can still get elective care quickly from a variety of local providers. Most other developed countries have longer queues or certain services are less available. We also subsidize drug development costs for the rest of the world. Whether those are good reasons for paying more is a matter of opinion.

Of course there's also a certain amount of waste, fraud, and abuse that inflate our costs.

https://peterattiamd.com/saumsutaria/

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by amrocha on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:21PM (#42321635)
The US certainly does not subsidize drugs for the rest of the world. It literally would rather enforce patents than save lives.

And there are no long queues for healthcare where I live. Service is cheap and insurance is nationalized.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by sib on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @07:22PM (#42323516)
> The US certainly does not subsidize drugs for the rest of the world.

It literally does. The costs of producing drugs are mostly borne by the US market, allowing drug manufacturers to charge less elsewhere while still investing the billions of dollars necessary to develop the drugs.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by amrocha on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @10:31PM (#42324638)
If you think that’s for the benefit of the rest of the world then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by nradov on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:10PM (#42324876)
No one claimed that it's for the benefit of the rest of the world. But the reality is that if US drug prices were fixed by the government at lower levels then there would be less new drug development. The US develops around 75% of world's new drugs. Would you prefer to have fewer new drugs going forward?
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by amrocha on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:49PM (#42325073)
Ok so your argument changed from “USA subsidizes drug development” to “it’s good to let people die because they’re poor”.

If it’s not for the benefit of the world, then it’s for its own benefit. Someone is profiting from this. There’s no charity happening here.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by sib on Thursday December 05, 2024 @12:11AM (#42325173)
Nope. Nobody changed the argument. No one said "USA subsidizes drug development out of a societal sense of charitable obligation to the rest of the world." It just so happens that - due to the unfortunate design of our system - the rest of the world is receiving a subsidy.

In fact, there are European-HQ'd pharma companies that also make the lion's share of their profits in the US - so that's certainly not benefiting the US.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by amrocha on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:25AM (#42325517)
It’s not the rest of the world getting subsidized, it’s pharmaceutical companies. The rest of the world is getting fleeced trying to buy vaccines.

If your government wants to give even more profits to big pharma then go ahead, just don’t claim everyone else should be thankful.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by buttercraft on Thursday December 05, 2024 @11:22AM (#42329586)
> just don’t claim everyone else should be thankful.

They did not claim that.

>> it’s good to let people die because they’re poor

They didn't say that either.

What dishonest responses...

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by paulsutter on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:54AM (#42325683)
Interesting

- Why doesn’t this happen in other fields? Why don’t we pay 10x more for iPhones?

- When did the american public chose to engage in this magnanimous largesse?

More likely it’s a scam and regulatory capture

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by 0xDEAFBEAD on Thursday December 05, 2024 @04:16AM (#42326413)
Economists, and pharma lobbyists, argue against US drug price regulation because new drugs produce large positive externalities.

So it's a mix of pharma lobbying and also altruism.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by paulsutter on Thursday December 05, 2024 @11:28AM (#42329651)
I’m arguing AGAINST the drug price regulation that allows pricing to be much higher in the US

For example the prohibition on importing drugs from other countries, or the rules that prevent medicare from negotiating price for drugs

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by techdmn on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:37PM (#42321775)
You left out one of the most important products of our system, profits!