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Re:A pro-science, pro-progress, techno-optimistic health tex... by Eumenes on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:36AM (#42319153)
So you only get body autonomy if you're a woman?
Re:A pro-science, pro-progress, techno-optimistic health tex... by supplied_demand on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @12:08PM (#42319508)
A perfect example of modern-day discourse. Not even taking a stance or making a point, just the least-generous interpretation of someone else's words turned into an attacking question.

-- Nobody suggested that only women get autonomy

-- Communicable diseases are obviously different than pregnancy in there health impacts on broader society

-- Lots of women in lots of places don't have bodily autonomy (there was a lot of discussion/reporting about it leading up to the recent US election)

Re:A pro-science, pro-progress, techno-optimistic health tex... by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:57AM (#42319407)
Your right to bodily autonomy must always be balanced with your impact on others' rights. You can drink, but you can't drive drunk. You can shoot guns, but not at someone. Example abound in our society.
Re:A pro-science, pro-progress, techno-optimistic health tex... by nradov on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:53PM (#42320661)
Bodily autonomy for free adults of sound mind is absolute. There is no "right" to be protected against infectious disease. I am absolutely pro-vaccine and getting vaccinated is the best option for the vast majority of patients but let's not distort the discussion by inventing fake rights that appear nowhere in the US Constitution.

I think a lot of the recent backlash was based on false claims by politicians and public health officials that COVID-19 vaccine mandates were necessary to protect others. But in reality the scientific evidence indicated that the vaccines had little or no benefit for reducing the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. That discrepancy in messaging eroded public trust and made some people believe that authorities had ulterior motives.

Re:A pro-science, pro-progress, techno-optimistic health tex... by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:58PM (#42320715)
> Bodily autonomy for free adults of sound mind is absolute.

There's no jurisdiction on the planet in which this is true. Certainly not the USA.

> let's not distort the discussion by inventing fake rights that appear nowhere in the US Constitution

The Constitution itself openly and clearly shoots down this idea in the Bill of Rights, in the Ninth Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

George Washington himself instituted a vaccine mandate. https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/smallpox-inoculation-revolu...

Re:A pro-science, pro-progress, techno-optimistic health tex... by Eumenes on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:11PM (#42320861)
So where do we have vaccine mandates today? I understand some employers mandate it, esp in government or healthcare settings, but I've never worked at a place that has. I didn't get the covid vaccine and nothing changed with my life - I was still able to go to restaurants, movies, and fly internationally. Nobody asks me for my immunizations from the 1980s when I was in k-12.
Re:A pro-science, pro-progress, techno-optimistic health tex... by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:14PM (#42320910)
> So where do we have vaccine mandates today?

https://www.ncsl.org/health/state-non-medical-exemptions-fro...

"All 50 states and Washington D.C. have laws requiring certain vaccines for students to attend school."

Employers, as a result, tend not to have their own requirements, for the same reasons they don't ask you to demonstrate you can count to ten if you have a high school diploma.

(And don't worry, they've got folks from other countries who might not have gone through our school system covered; https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat...)

> Nobody asks me for my immunizations from the 1980s when I was in k-12.

Because you are virtually guaranteed to have had them. They will also not ask you if you're potty trained.