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Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by kiba on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:21AM (#42315187)
Well paying job just mean that the primary distribution mechanism of wealth is through having a job, rather than only creating only jobs that are necessary. That's grossly inefficient. I rather pay people to stay at home rather than gunk up our industries with make-work, or worse actively making things worse.

Innovation is important sure, but also efficient use of resources, including cramping down on negative externalities. That increases welfare and quality of life, ideally with no need to spend an extra dollar.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by Cumpiler69 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:25AM (#42315207)
That's some idealistic stuff that's not gonna happen. The real world doesn't work like that.

Yeah it's ineficient but it's the one we got right now. You're not gonna change it with your comments and beliefs. Meanwhile rent is due next month and you need to pay up by using these "ineficient" mechanisms set in place by powers higher than you.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by kiba on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:54AM (#42315377)
Idealistic? So what? I am just pointing out the contradiction of people's thought. I perfectly know well it's not how things should work but how it works right now, but if people believed silly things I am going to point it out.

You are welcome to point out flaws in my thinking.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @08:42AM (#42317328)
Stop thinking in terms of dollars. Think in terms of stuff - that's the actual wealth. You can move dollars around with or without jobs, but somebody has to make the stuff. Someone has to grow the food. Otherwise, you have dollars but not food, and you can't eat dollars.

So the thing about jobs is, we really need jobs that actually produce stuff. We don't just need jobs, we need somebody to create the wealth. First it has to exist, then we can worry about how it gets distributed.

So if you have a bunch of people who are not necessary, then the best thing to do is not to let them starve (which is also immoral), nor to give them pointless jobs (which is soul-destroying), but to find something useful for them to do.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by bluecheese452 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:13PM (#42320896)
We have had the capacity to produce more stuff than we can consume for almost a century now. Take cars for example. We could easily produce one for every man woman and child. If someone can’t afford a car it isn’t because we can’t make it, it is because we have decided not to make it.

This isn’t a production problem, it is a social problem.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by Workaccount2 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:12PM (#42321535)
>If someone can’t afford a car it isn’t because we can’t make it, it is because we have decided not to make it.

Its because the person making the car doesn't want to make one for someone who isn't making something of equal value in return. It makes them a sucker for being the one to make the car.

You cannot legislate, policy change, indoctrinate, or force your way around this. It's why all attempts to do so always have failed. Every single time. Always.

The only way to create actual value is to put in actual work.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by kiba on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @07:14PM (#42323477)
We can't afford to make a car for every single person. It's catastrophic to our urban fabric.