No. Why would that be relevant?
Personally, I'm happy that I don't usually have to go double check every single fact I assert on forums like this one. That does mean that I'm wrong occasionally, but I'm happy to be corrected by others. I think less interesting conversations would happen if this wasn't true.
No, I'm talking about libel laws. From another comment lower down:
"There are two versions of defamation, libel and slander. Libel is when the defamation is written down (including email, bulletin boards and websites), and slander is when the incident relates to words spoken."
Just to clarify, from Wikipedia:
Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, traducement, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image
Under the UK laws, fair comment is a valid defence. Again from Wikipedia:
This defence arises if the defendant shows that the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held, even if they were motivated by dislike or hatred of the plaintiff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law#Fair_com...
So it's not like you can't comment on anything.
I think less interesting conversations would happen if this wasn't true.
The libel laws have been around a long time, and apparently from 2006, writings on the internet have been seen as being public enough for prosecutions to take place. Have you noticed a drop-off in internet conversations from British contributors since then?
The legal system is a highly profitable industry. It's why obvious frivolous lawsuits can go to trial.
Foreign "crank" defending himself - VS - one of the oldest and most prestigous science journals now owned by a huge publishing company.
Now imagine the next case is a multinational drug company suing an individual researcher or grad student because their published results don't fit with what the drug company would like to see.
"You eat babies in your spare time!"
"No, no I don't."
The 1st can produce a picture of the person eating a baby, how does the 2nd prove that he doesn't eat babies?
If the person who had the claim made against them had to definitively prove that beyond a doubt he doesn't eat babies - he'd have to have had someone recording him for every minute of his waking life, including those moments prior to the claim.
The only way to prove a negative is to run a (perhaps nearly) infinite number of tests and never get that result.
The negative claim that so-and-so has never eaten a baby is difficult to prove because that claim is actually a group of claims: so-and-so was not eating babies at time one, time two, time three, etc. Each and every claim in that sequence could be proven with a photograph that shows so-and-so doing something other than eating babies. Each negative in that sequence is provable. The problem is the length of the sequence: you need hundreds and hundreds of proofs. You would have the same trouble with any similar sequence of positive claims, such as the sequence entailed by the statement that there is a human-habitable planet in one out of ten solar systems.
That's equally difficult whether you're trying to prove that "All swans are white" or "No swans are black": the only ways to conclusively prove either involve examining large numbers of objects.
Go read Karl Popper on falsifiability.
I can prove there is a mouse that is blue and black on my desk, but I cannot prove that there has never been a red and black mouse on my desk, I can only assert such.
Doesn't the coexistence of the libel laws and the media industry kinda prove you wrong there?
I'm very intrigued to know how exactly the law works now.
I came across the following basic explanation a while ago, seems like a pretty decent write-up:
There are two versions of defamation, libel and slander. Libel is when the defamation is written down (including email, bulletin boards and websites), and slander is when the incident relates to words spoken.
In the UK, if someone thinks that what you wrote about them is either defamatory or damaging, the onus will be entirely on you to prove that your comments are true in court. In other words, if you make the claim, you've got to prove it!
For example, if you said Peter Sutcliffe had never paid his TV licence in his life that would not be defamatory - or it is very unlikely to be. However, if you said the same about TV boss Greg Dyke, that would be.
Why? Because Peter Sutcliffe's reputation will not be damaged by the TV licence revelation (he is after all a mass murderer). Of course, his lawyers would still be free to bring the case to court, but it is very unlikely they would succeed.
Greg Dyke, on the other hand, runs the BBC , so to say he wilfully doesn't pay his TV licence could have a seriously detrimental effect on his career. He could be fired or his reputation damaged (note:Dyke has now left the BBC).
Continued here:
There are exceptions for reporting legal judgements, which is why its important to always refer to the convicted liar Jeffery Archer
Don't forget that homosexuality has only relatively recently become legal in England.
The Jason Donovan case is particularly interesting.
(http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sad-about-the-boy-1270092....)
But if you were running say a local paper and you went out of your way to consistently describe a local politician or school teacher/principal as "the homosexual Mr Smith" and your intentions were malicious they could have a reasonable chance of damages from you.
Placing the responsibility on the person you're writing about seems just plain unfair to me.
The only problem with the English libel laws is it takes so long to resolve a case. I don't understand why it takes so much time and expense, and would prefer this aspect to be fixed first - if at all possible.