Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by blockedepistem on Monday December 02, 2024 @06:48PM
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And people sound incredulous when they hear the likes of Shellenberger’s Public substack asserting that Uncle Sam has been sequestering UAP imagery away from scientific study.
We’re going to be learning what a joke the past century of government transparency has been, and it’s not going to be a pleasant feeling.
Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by nradov on Monday December 02, 2024 @08:26PM
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Some of the language in this article is a bit odd, and appears to reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of satellites and orbital mechanics. The orbits of spy satellites are hardly "irregular", nor can they "shift direction often". Orbits are exactly regular, by definition. Orbital parameter changes do happen but are rare. Even the largest spy satellites have only very limited ΔV capability. And there are no stealth satellites: it's impossible to hide any large object in orbit. Amateur astronomers have identified the orbital parameters of all spy satellites.
The secret part about spy satellites is not their location but rather their payload. I suspect the reason the government wants to censor images is that a high-resolution picture could allow an adversary to infer a lot about payloads including imaging resolution, communications frequencies, power budget, and possibly even defensive systems.
Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by uticus on Monday December 02, 2024 @09:42PM
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> Orbits are exactly regular, by definition. Orbital parameter changes do happen but are rare.
How does that match up with [0]?
"... a satellite that stalks other satellites, started another relocation move on July 22, leaving its position near ASTRA 4A at longitude 4.8 E and drifting west at 0.9 degrees per day."
Do they make this up, or do you and I have a vastly different understanding of "irregular"?
Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by nradov on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:30PM
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It's not made up. The satellite made some minor orbital parameter changes but at all times it was in a regular orbit. It wasn't making irregular course changes in the way that an airplane might.
Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by nradov on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:27PM
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I think that part of the article may be confused, the result of a misunderstanding or a translation error. We're getting secondhand information from an astronomer who isn't a native English speaker filtered through some random journalist.
Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by nradov on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:48PM
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Anyone who cares can find those satellites again using the same techniques. I guarantee the Chinese government knows their exact orbital parameters. There are no stealth satellites.
Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by nradov on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:25PM
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Probably. The Iranians certainly have the technical capability to detect those satellites, at least well enough to calculate the orbital parameters. So it would be safe to assume that they pass that intelligence on to the various terrorist groups that they sponsor.
Re:When a Telescope Is a National-Security Risk
by sinuhe69 on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:07PM
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A telescope that able to see billion light years away can also see satellites in close earth orbits? How incredible is that! How can it shift and change its focus so dramatically? Would not a flyby satellite cover the entire view field of the telescope?
https://archive.today/jhMBD
https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archi...
We’re going to be learning what a joke the past century of government transparency has been, and it’s not going to be a pleasant feeling.
Just pointing to the Graves Radar in France whose frequency and beam pattern is precisely known to the public.
The secret part about spy satellites is not their location but rather their payload. I suspect the reason the government wants to censor images is that a high-resolution picture could allow an adversary to infer a lot about payloads including imaging resolution, communications frequencies, power budget, and possibly even defensive systems.
How does that match up with [0]?
"... a satellite that stalks other satellites, started another relocation move on July 22, leaving its position near ASTRA 4A at longitude 4.8 E and drifting west at 0.9 degrees per day."
Do they make this up, or do you and I have a vastly different understanding of "irregular"?
[0] https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-russian-sigint-...
It basically says the telescope can take high res pictures of secret satellites, but they have to wait 3 days to release them.
It claims after 3 days, nobody will know where they are “now.”
That seems to suggest the concern is location, not appearance. It also suggests the locations aren’t predictable.
https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2024/05/the-nrol-146-payloa...
That's historic data