but I guess all cars collect driving data for ai training, so each car is involved in ai.
The EU is rendering countless people jobless and handing the auto market to the chinese so they can sell their spying devices on wheels (probably also complete with kill-switches that can be activated from China if needed: say in case of a full on war).
It's just insanity. I think the EU is going to be a case study as to how quickly you can kill an entire industry by voting laws favoring a competing nation state instead of your own nation/countries.
Be very careful what you wish for.
What about option 3? Stand and fight. Make an effort. Design something electric that people actually want to buy. Build out the necessary charging infra on a war footing. Shape consumer behavior with tax policy.
I could accept EV tariffs if they were meant to give domestic manufacturers breathing room to catch up. I don't see that anyone has gotten the memo though.
Another take has always been china doesn’t have environmental regulations so they can go faster. Is this true? on the face of it I don’t believe it because the insane cost differential would be like 10% cheaper Chinese evs not 50%.
Automation was supposed to save the west from cheap labor but the Chinese manufacturers have that too
This also requires revising U.S. regulations to be less onerous. Look at China’s export-variant EVs, see why they couldn’t be admitted into America, and question if that requirement is actually important. Because while it’s keeping Chinese EVs out, it’s also making American production uncompetitive.
It seems the government has had lots of mistakes doing that. For example, supporting the early internet buildout (carriers took money), or getting solar off the ground (early startups took money, disappeared), or whatever happened with GM.
Why? If electric cars are the future, certainly building infrastructure will make sense for private companies. If it is not profitable for companies to build such infrastructure, then maybe electric cars are not the future but a fashion trend.
> I could accept EV tariffs if they were meant to give domestic manufacturers breathing room to catch up. I don't see that anyone has gotten the memo though.
China is overplaying their hand. They are having massive overcapacity in the car manufacturing, but most of the world can't afford such cars either due to price and/or due to non-existent infrastructure. You can forget on selling 30k EUR cars in Africa, India or Central Asia. You can also forget on selling such cars in most of China. So tariffs will decimate Chinese car industry.
I didn't say the government would build out charging infra, did I? But they can make it easier.
> most of the world can't afford such cars either due to price
The sun is free. Oil costs dollars. Most of the world is dollar-constrained. Until now capturing the sun's energy was costly, but China's manufacturing scale has changed that.
Their manufacturing scale has also produced EVs that are way cheaper than your average Tesla.
> and/or due to non-existent infrastructure
Most countries have cheaper labor and fewer environmental constraints than the developed world. If they have a reason to build infrastructure, they'll build it.
The reason China is ahead right now is that in addition to the carrot of heaps of funding, there was the stick that China brought in regulations that prevented hundreds of ICE vehicle models from being sold. They were serious about EVs.
This is something USA/Canada could do as well. But no people seem satisfied to do nothing and keep selling giant trucks that burn gas.
Cars just aren't so important here anymore. I haven't owned or even rented or driven one for 6 years. Not even once.
There's big differences between countries here (the Netherlands is still very hung up on cars and Germany too) but in general we don't really look at a car as a must-have anymore. Personally I consider it much more of an obstacle and a huge money drain. I have nowhere to park it, I don't want the responsibility of driving (and possibly penalties), the maintenance, the insurance, the need to constantly worry about charging it or moving it to not hog charging stations (with EVs). Or not being able to use my time productively while driving.
Instead I just jump on the train whenever I need to, and I can read or watch something, all while spending much less.
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Even in North America you’re seeing this bifurcating. I split time between New York City and a deep red and rural state. EVs are one of the weird commonalities between them. Not because of politics. But because I’m in a rich area in each.
> because it is so politically beholden to oil interests
Other than Exxon, Big Oil bet on renewables.
The answer is simpler: there was a messaging fuck-up and groundswell backlash from poor Americans being told they had to replace their cars at huge expense.
I also remember when cellphones first became available in other countries.
Because landlines were so screwed up in other countries, and adding cellphone infrastructure was simple and competitive, uptake of cellphones was much more abrupt. The US got terrible cellphones at a slower rate.
The big problem NA has right now is giant rent seeking corporations have become too powerful and are uninterested in change.
In today's world, perhaps we should stop giving subsidies to auto manufacturers and start giving them to drone manufacturers.
All because of political choices in banning imports and not sufficiently pushing local auto makers to push for an EV transition.
Really wild stuff to see NA that has always been at the technological bleeding edge, weirdly politicize vehicle engines and cede so much ground because it is so politically beholden to oil interests.