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Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by zaptheimpaler on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @03:29PM (#42259408)
The surprise is any ne'er-do-well can DDoS your bucket even if they aren't a customer. Genuine customer traffic volume will probably be known and expected, but putting an S3 bucket in the open is something like leaving a blank check on the internet.
Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by lopkeny12ko on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @03:32PM (#42259437)
It's a bit unfair to characterize that as a surprise on how much S3 bills you, no? The surprising part here is lack of DDoS protection on your end or leaving a bucket public and exposed. AWS is just charging you for how much it served, it doesn't make sense to hold them to a fault here.
Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by bobthebutcher on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @04:17PM (#42259871)
If you want to hire someone to walk your dog you probably won't put an ad in the New york times to a head hunter that you will pay by the hour with no oversight and it would be totally unfair to that head hunter when you don't want to pay them for the time of all those interviews. But an infinitely scalable service you somehow can't put immediately terminal limits on is somehow fine on the cloud.
Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by bippihippi1 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @04:41PM (#42260081)
it loses trust with customers when the simple setup is flawed. S3 is rightly built to support as much egress as any customer would want, but wrong to make it complex to set up rules to limit the bandwidth and price.

It should be possible to use the service, especially common ones like S3 with little knowledge of architecture and stuff.

Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by dragonwriter on Thursday November 28, 2024 @12:27PM (#42267047)
> it loses trust with customers when the simple setup is flawed.

S3’s simple setup (which denies all public access) is not flawed in the manner being discussed here. Allowing public direct access to an S3 bucket is a supported option, but for years has been both non-default and strongly recommended against.

Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by fnikacevic on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @04:11PM (#42259817)
AWS will also forgive mistakes or negligence based bills, in my case 3 times.
Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @04:58PM (#42260221)
> The surprising part here is lack of DDoS protection on your end or leaving a bucket public and exposed.

It doesn't take anything near DDoS. If you dare to put up a website that serves images from S3, and one guy on one normal connection decides to cause you problems, they can pull down a hundred terabytes in a month.

Is serving images from S3 a crazy use case? Even if you have signed and expiring URLs it's hard to avoid someone visiting your site every half hour and then using the URL over and over.

> AWS is just charging you for how much it served, it doesn't make sense to hold them to a fault here.

Even if it's not their fault, it's still an "inherent vulnerability of S3 pricing". But since they charge so much per byte with bad controls over it, I think it does make sense to hold them to a good chunk of fault.

Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by catlifeonmars on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:40AM (#42266004)
I think this just boils down to: S3 is expensive. It’s orthogonal to DDoS. Of course, the same principle applies for any expensive resource: put DDoS protection in front of it.
Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 28, 2024 @01:47PM (#42267632)
It boils down to: S3 is expensive in a way that's hard to control.

Do you expect DDoS protection to kick in from one person downloading a single digit number of images per second?

Re:Comparing AWS S3 with Cloudflare R2: Price, Performance a... by zaptheimpaler on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:55PM (#42260635)
I don't know about fair or unfair, but it's just a problem you don't have to worry about if there's no egress fees.