Even from a logistics POV we're 8 billion on this planet, concentrated in cities. Everyone following that philosophy would bring a food chain collapse.

While the pendulum has swung way past the equilibrium for us, rejecting whole categories of food that tend to be nutrious, easily preserved is just not realistic.

To me there are dozens of other levers we can pull to deal with health improvement. As pointed out in the other threads, not all OECD countries are facing what the US are facing.

PS: do I get all my points accepted as truth if I can prove a BMI that satisfies you ? Would 22 do it ?

Assuming your point isn't that you used the "factory" terminology instead of calling it "unnatural", so it's not an appeal to nature.

I'd actually be pleased to dig on the deeper part you were pointing to.

PS: the "we are not adapted" to part of your post is the crux of it in my eyes: we're not adapted to a lot of things but that doesn't make it good or bad or problematic. We're not adapted to receiving MRIs, wearing glasses or looking at imaginary landscapes in VR, and that's totally fine in my book .

Factories come with a mountain of lubricants, plastics, metals, agents, colorings, flavorings, etc that are poisonous. They are poisonous because we were not evolved to consume them. That's just 1 of many reasons factory made foods are bad.

> we're not adapted to a lot of things but that doesn't make it good or bad or problematic

These things would be good for you in spite of the fact that you're not adapted to it.

There are far more many things that you are not adapted to that would kill you. Your list is hilariously arguable (VR might actually be bad for you lol). My list would consist of basic inarguable things like, fish can breathe underwater naked, humans cannot, and my list would be inexhaustibly long.

I remember a movie from the 1950s, where a character was arguing that "margarine is just like butter", and the response was that "butter needs no explanation".

If we as a species could no longer rely on industrialization to create junk foods and instead had to make them from scratch, we’d spend 100x as long making them as we do shoving them down our throats and therefore savor the few that we do make and likely eat less.

The subconscious power of availability and plenty on the human psyche is enormously underestimated.

Whenever the topic of Ozempic comes up on HN there is an instant flurry of comments suggesting that people don't have control over what they eat whatsoever and pharmaceutical intervention is the only way to solve obesity. Those are the same people suggesting there is nothing wrong with processed food.

I'm not sure I understand. Every food made in a factory was first made outside one.

I dare you to make actual snickers with the same ingredients outside a factory. Refining the sugar alone is a huge industrial process.

Even the US's entire grain supply is sprayed with folic acid. So pretty much all wheat and rice that you find at the grocery store is also disqualified.