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Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by libertine on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @06:35AM (#42244800)
> why aren't we so scared anymore?

The true question is: why does right-wing propaganda instill terrorism fear and promote cowardice, to the detriment of doing what's right for the protection of institutions that took millions of lives, and decades to build?

This isn't shocking coming from millionaires pushing this narrative, which happens to be the Russian propaganda narrative: "why aren't we afraid of Russia, and folding to their attempts to make us afraid?"

A few days ago I commented here about the problem of alternative media spreading misinformation (some of them being paid by Russia[0]), and behold Joe Rogan fear-mongering[1] about "ICBMs that can carry nukes", accusing Ukrainians of escalating the war and telling them to "go fck themselves".

Completely ignoring Russia has been using missiles that can carry nuclear payloads for almost 3 years. And then pushing the idea "why can't we just do what we like and chill", all the while Ukraine has 10.000.000 refugees who can't do what they like and chill because they're fighting for their survival. People of a country the USA pressured to surrender their nukes in exchange for helping them in case Ukraine's sovereignty is compromised.

The illusion that appeasement will stop Putin, and make everything go back to normal, and millionaires can once again just be millionaires and goof around carefree, is just that - an illusion.

I'm more afraid of a world where 1 man can annex sovereign countries and wipe cultures with the banner of a nuke - because that's what's been coming since 90's.

If Russia wins in Ukraine it's just the beginning, and then Russians will be right - it is the USA's fault, but for failing Ukraine.

Here's a list of common Russian propaganda points:

- Ukraine is another Afghanistan, get out;

- Americans are done fighting wars, no more wars!;

- Russia can nuke us for X, Y, Z;

- Americans are paying for this war;

- Democrats/Deepstate are Warhawks and want WW3;

- Ukraine is escalating the conflict by bombing Russia - imagine... the guys being invaded escalating... All while Russia is at a point where North Korea sent troops in.

- Russia is just defending its borders from NATO expansion, the US would do the same! Monroe doctrine, etc etc;

- NATO is to blame for expanding to Ukraine and the Baltics;

- Ukraine tried to join NATO, so they had it coming;

- Ukraine has a problem with Nazis, something had to be done;

- Ethnic Russians were in danger in Ukraine;

The list goes on...

[0]https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential...

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqfYC7lt6kY

Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by peepeepoopoo91 on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @06:58AM (#42244932)
What an absolute abomination of a post. You should feel bad for being so propagandized that you are even capable of writing this slop.

> Completely ignoring Russia has been using missiles that can carry nuclear payloads for almost 3 years.

This entire conflict started because we wanted to build a cruise missile base in Ukraine, and Russia objected to the fact that it would be equipped with conventially-armed-but-nuclear-capable Tomahawks. Trump can't defund whatever pro-war think tank you stumbled out of fast enough.

Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by libertine on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @07:06AM (#42244969)
Besides that being a propagandized lie and an iteration that fell off because it didn't stick, you could at least make an effort and provide a source.

But I did forget about this Russian propaganda point, thank you for pointing it out.

Also, I should add the:

- USA is building bioweapons labs in Ukraine;

- There are CIA bases in Ukraine;

Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by peepeepoopoo91 on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @07:13AM (#42245000)
Nobody is this stupid: you're being willfully dishonest. There was a planned Aegis Ashore base in Ukraine that started all of this, and it was widely publicized.
Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by libertine on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @07:21AM (#42245058)
> Nobody is this stupid: you're being willfully dishonest

That's a bold claim from someone with a brand-new account, that didn't make a single effort to make an argument against the points I've listed.

> There was a planned Aegis Ashore base in Ukraine that started all of this, and it was widely publicized.

If it was widely publicized, it shouldn't be hard to find several reliable sources about this claim. By the way, not even Putin made that claim when he decided to annex Ukraine in 2022, stating Ukraine doesn't exist[0].

[0]https://time.com/6150046/ukraine-statehood-russia-history-pu...

Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by peepeepoopoo91 on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @07:30AM (#42245122)
Trump is coming for you spooks. I suggest fleeing the country.
Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by libertine on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @07:42AM (#42245202)
So again, no source.

Just spamming propaganda posing as a US Citizen.

Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by peepeepoopoo91 on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @08:01AM (#42245322)
I remember now. You work for the NSA.
Re:Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict? by dang on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @09:45AM (#42246192)
We've banned the other account, but you also broke the site guidelines badly in this thread and that's also not cool.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. We don't want this kind of flamewar or political/national/ideological battle here.