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Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by reizorc on Sunday November 24, 2024 @03:40PM (#42230368)
Does this mean they can track the location of specific IMEIs from orbit?
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by lupusreal on Sunday November 24, 2024 @03:49PM (#42230445)
HawkEye 360 has been doing this for a few years.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by maxrmk on Sunday November 24, 2024 @04:35PM (#42230832)
This is really interesting. Based on their wikipedia I can see they collect a lot of RF traffic - are IMEIs identifiable with the raw data captured that way? I'm surprised they are not encrypted. I say this as someone who knows nothing about the space.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bri3d on Sunday November 24, 2024 @04:42PM (#42230891)
In 2G/3G networks, IMSI is unencrypted in the initial handshake process while the handset gets a TMSI, so it can very trivially be passively observed, but only at specific points in time.

In 5G this is somewhat fixed - the handset uses its Home Network Public Key to encrypt the device-specific IMSI (producing a SUCI) which only the Home Network can decrypt. The MCC and MNC (carrier information) are still sent in the clear to allow the encrypted SUCI to route to the correct Home Network for decryption.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by dzhiurgis on Sunday November 24, 2024 @04:48PM (#42230924)
Which means military has been doing this for decades
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by kylebenzle on Sunday November 24, 2024 @03:45PM (#42230408)
They always have been...
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by kortilla on Sunday November 24, 2024 @04:09PM (#42230616)
spacex? No, the direct to cell sats require much larger antenna to pick up cell signals. The regular Starlink sats aren’t capable of that.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bushbaba on Sunday November 24, 2024 @07:34PM (#42231979)
It’s interesting as Apple randomizes the MAC address but not imei number.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by anticensor on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @12:43AM (#42253279)
IMEI randomisation would actually make them unusable in Turkey.