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Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by banannaise on Friday November 22, 2024 @09:36AM (#42214147)
A bunch of these are just improper procedure: several who hit the clock before choosing a promotion piece, and one who touches a piece that cannot be moved. Even those that aren't look like rational chess moves, they just fail to notice a detail of the board state (with the possible exception of Vidit's very funny king attack, which actually might have been clock manipulation to give him more time to think with 0:01 on the clock).

Whereas the LLM makes "moves" that clearly indicate no ability to play chess: moving pieces to squares well outside their legal moveset, moving pieces that aren't on the board, etc.

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by fl7305 on Friday November 22, 2024 @02:45PM (#42216801)
Can a blind man sculpt?

What if he makes mistakes that a seeing person would never make?

Does that mean that the blind man is not capable of sculpting at all?

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by sixfiveotwo on Friday November 22, 2024 @02:55PM (#42216875)
> Whereas the LLM makes "moves" that clearly indicate no ability to play chess: moving pieces to squares well outside their legal moveset, moving pieces that aren't on the board, etc.

Do you have any evidence of that? TFA doesn't talk about the nature of these errors.

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by krainboltgreene on Friday November 22, 2024 @03:24PM (#42217107)
Yeah like several hundred "Chess IM/GMs react to ChatGPT playing chess" videos on youtube.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by sixfiveotwo on Friday November 22, 2024 @05:53PM (#42218027)
Very strange, I cannot spot any specifically saying that ChatGPT cheated or played an illegal move. Can you help?
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by krainboltgreene on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:08AM (#42219768)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhlrkfJrCQ He has quite a few of these.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by sixfiveotwo on Saturday November 23, 2024 @06:51PM (#42224828)
> Yeah like several hundred "Chess IM/GMs react to ChatGPT playing chess" videos on youtube.

If I were to take that sentence literally, I would ask for at least 199 other examples, but I imagine that it was just a figure of speech. Nevertheless, if that's only one player complaining (even several times), can we really conclude that ChatGPT cannot play? Is that enough evidence, or is there something else at work?

I suppose indeed one could, if one expected an LLM to be ready to play out of the box, and that would be a fair criticism.

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by krainboltgreene on Saturday November 23, 2024 @07:51PM (#42225147)
I really wish I hadn't replied to you.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by sixfiveotwo on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @01:22AM (#42243001)
I'm sorry if you feel that way.

I am in no way trying to judge you; rather, I'm trying to get closer to the truth in that matter, and your input is valuable, as it points out a discrepancy wrt TFA, but it is also subject to caution, since it reports the results of only one chess player (right?). Furthermore, both in the case of TFA and this youtuber, we don't have full access to their whole experiments, so we can't reproduce the results, nor can we try to understand why there is a difference.

I might very well be mistaken though, and I am open to criticisms and corrections, of course.

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by SonOfLilit on Friday November 22, 2024 @05:59PM (#42218061)
But clearly the author got his GPT to play orders of magnitude better than in those videos
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by krainboltgreene on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:09AM (#42219769)
In no way is it clear, there's no evidence.