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Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by ep_jhu on Friday November 22, 2024 @08:01AM (#42213472)
Everyone here is thinking about privacy and surveillance and here I am wondering if this is what lets us speed up nano cameras to relativistic speeds with lasers to image other solar systems up close.
Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by TeMPOraL on Friday November 22, 2024 @08:08AM (#42213532)
Thank you!

It's been a while since I've heard anyone talk about the Starshot project[0]. Maybe this would help revitalize it.

Also even without aiming for Proxima Centauri, it would be great to have more cameras in our own planetary system.

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[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot

Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by hindsightbias on Friday November 22, 2024 @11:35AM (#42215206)
Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by skandinaff on Friday November 22, 2024 @08:07AM (#42213525)
we would also need a transmitter of equivalent size to send those images back. also an energy source
Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by Workaccount2 on Friday November 22, 2024 @11:19AM (#42215062)
Just do round trip!
Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by sangnoir on Friday November 22, 2024 @01:03PM (#42216009)
We'll need even bigger[1] breakthroughs in propulsion if it's going to be self-propelling itself back to Sol at relativistic speeds.

1. A "simpler" sci-fi solution foe a 1-way trip that's still out of our reach is a large light sail and huge Earth-based laser, but his required "smaller" breakthroughs in material science

Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by DCH3416 on Friday November 22, 2024 @01:56PM (#42216438)
Well if you can propel something forward you can propel it backwards as well.

I'm assuming some sort of fixed laser type propulsion mechanism would leverage a type of solar sail technology. Maybe you could send a phased laser signal that "vibrates" a solar sail towards the source of energy instead of away.

Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by sangnoir on Friday November 22, 2024 @02:09PM (#42216544)
> Well if you can propel something forward you can propel it backwards as well

Not necessarily - at least with currently known science. Light sails work ok transferring momentum from photons, allowing positive acceleration from a giant laser Earth. Return trip requires a giant laser on the other side.

Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by SoftTalker on Friday November 22, 2024 @01:11PM (#42216067)
As well as a way around Newton's Third Law.
Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by sangnoir on Friday November 22, 2024 @01:23PM (#42216159)
I meant to say the "simpler" (but still very complicated) solar sail approach was for a one-way trip. On paper, our civilization can muster the energy required to accelerate tiny masses to relativistic speeds. A return trip at those speeds would require a nee type of science to concentrate that amount of energy in a small mass and use it for controlled propulsion.
Re:A “meta-optics” camera that is the size of a single grain... by NL807 on Friday November 22, 2024 @04:59PM (#42217719)
Honestly even if they are size of a jellybean, it would be a massive boon for space exploration. Just imagine sending them for reconnaissance work around the solar system to check out potential bodies to explore for bigger probes later down the track. Even to catch interesting objects suddenly appearing with minimal delay, like ʻOumuamua.