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Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by coding123 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:17PM (#42209261)
There are 2.4M workers in the US government.

If the country has 258M adults, then 1 in 100 people are "administers" for the other 99. Just seems strange to me.

Elon reduced twitter by 80% and it still runs today. (It had some glitches during the transition, obviously)

Is there a possibility that all bureaucracies are 80% overstaffed?

Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by thesuperbigfrog on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:56PM (#42209550)
>> Elon reduced twitter by 80% and it still runs today. (It had some glitches during the transition, obviously)

Both advertisers and users are abandoning Twitter / X in droves [1]. It is failing as a business [2] and has failed at every high profile event that has been hosted recently (e.g. political campaign events) [3].

It does not look like a business that is growing and thriving. It looks like it is on life support and dying.

>> Is there a possibility that all bureaucracies are 80% overstaffed?

There is always room for more efficiency and improvement, but the heavy-handed sledgehammer, top-down approach that Musk took with Twitter is definitely not the best way to do it.

Instead, a bottom-up approach is probably better. Who knows better where the waste is than those who work in the organizations and carry out the processes? Ask them where the waste is and what needs to happen to make it more efficient. Firing a bunch of people and axing whole organizations is likely to break things and cause major systemic problems just like it did with Twitter.

[1] https://qz.com/twitter-x-ad-revenue-tumbles-elon-musk-grok-1...

https://www.deseret.com/business/2024/10/02/x-twitter-loses-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/x-sees-largest-user-e...

[2] https://mashable.com/article/twitter-x-revenue-falls-x-payme...

[3] https://gizmodo.com/x-twitter-down-outage-elon-musk-threads-...

Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by ttyprintk on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:34PM (#42209386)
We’ve heard there will be “hardship”. Will any disruption in the delivery of Social Security checks and veterans’ disability checks signal an incompetence further than forgivable hardship? If the excuse comes from the richest man in the world, most Americans will say, “he didn’t get that way by giving out money.”
Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by bediger4000 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:54PM (#42209542)
How much hardship will the 2 DOGE Czars experience?
Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by coding123 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:37PM (#42209416)
Sure, that can happen, but there's still a question: Do we need to have 2.4M employed to distribute those checks?
Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by ttyprintk on Thursday November 21, 2024 @06:26PM (#42209734)
2.4m seems low to me. It takes a huge amount of time to investigate fraud. I’m a “Law and Order” kind of guy.
Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by quantified on Thursday November 21, 2024 @07:10PM (#42210013)
Less than 2.3M, but who's counting?

Examine the numbers yourself: [https://www.fedscope.opm.gov/]

The VA is the largest at over 400,000 employees. But all the DoD components add up to more. I'm sure firing all the VA staff and all the soldiers/sailors/airmen will work out great.

Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by ttyprintk on Thursday November 21, 2024 @07:57PM (#42210225)
Thank you, I’m lazily parroting numbers rather than nobly lauding accuracy.

I do know a thing or two about the VA. I hope we can rebalance what it means to be compensated for disability. Sen. Duckworth lost both legs and has a rating of 20%. I think about that whenever I heard a veteran describe the process of shopping for a high rating.

Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by helveticabold48 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:51PM (#42209518)
Just look at Argentina's overnight transformation. It's literally Musk's playbook. One can argue that most governments and most public institutions and most publicly funded NGOs (which is weird) are stuffed full of inefficiencies and wasteful policies. It's not the people themselves, they are fully capable of producing values (and they want to) if placed in the right spots, it's the architecture and the system that evolved over the decades. When the government is the single biggest employer of the country, it's time for a cleanup.
Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by dialup_sounds on Thursday November 21, 2024 @07:32PM (#42210126)
Most federal employees are not administrators or bureaucrats in any reasonable sense of the word.
Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by quantified on Thursday November 21, 2024 @07:03PM (#42209958)
It "runs" but it lacks a lot of business support. You can see what happens when there is no trust and safety department.
Re:Musk, Ramaswamy vow 'mass head-count reductions' in U.S. ... by rsynnott on Friday November 22, 2024 @11:04AM (#42214915)
I mean, Twitter still exists, for some value of 'exists'. North Korea and Sudan still exist, too, if that's the measure of "how much mismanagement of a company/country is too much" we're using.