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Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by roody15 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:20AM (#42205142)
What is the point of the ICC? Russia doesn't recognize it, Israel doesn't recognize it and even the United States doesn't recognize it. I am confused at what these warrants even mean.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by tuvocoical on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:25AM (#42205198)
In this case, to make a political statement against Israel and their leadership.

Note that the only member of Hamas indicted, Mohammed Deif, will never see a day in court. As the ICC already knows, he was killed in an airstrike earlier this year.

Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by ktallett on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:30AM (#42205276)
Since there has been no proof of his death bar the announcements from Israel, it is sensible to consider him as a wanted man until there is concrete evidence he is dead.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by tuvocoical on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:34AM (#42205333)
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by DasIch on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:25AM (#42205207)
In practice these warrants mean that they cannot travel to any country that does recognize the ICC without being arrested, which means they almost certainly won't.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by jcranmer on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:48AM (#42205502)
Just like how Putin couldn't travel to, say, South Africa, after a warrant was issued for his arrest. Oh wait, South Africa declined to enforce the ICC arrest warrant in that case.

I don't see this meaningfully constraining Netanyahu's foreign travel options.

Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by runarberg on Thursday November 21, 2024 @02:00PM (#42207444)
It would be politically very risky for any European democracy to not enforce this arrest warrant, much more so than for South Africa or Mongolia. Israel is not popular among the public in Europe, and if a government invites him for a political visit, and don’t arrest him, that government will have to pay for that in the next election (and probably sooner, with mass demonstration and public unrest).

Now, lets talk about Putin’s visit to South Africa. So Putin was scheduled to visit a BRICS summit in South Africa despite the ICC arrest warrant. South Africa claimed they wouldn’t enforce the arrest warrant. People got very mad. South Africa, in response, declared that Putin would only participate in the summit remotely, where the arrest warrant couldn’t be enforced.

Now this was obviously a way to bypass the ICC warrant, and the stunt did not go well in the general public. In the next election the ANC, the governing party at the time, lost their parliamentary majority for the first time since South Africa became a democracy in 1994. Now South Africans had several other reasons to ditch the ANC, but this stunt certainly didn’t help.

Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by aguaviva on Thursday November 21, 2024 @02:06PM (#42207512)
Oh wait, South Africa is just one country.

In a great many other countries, including nearly all Western countries, the warrant is still in effect.

And even in the South African case: the government's decision was considered quite tenuous, which is why Putin cancelled his visit, in was was considered to be a major diplomatic setback at the time. So at the end of the day -- the warrant still had significant effect, and fulfilled its purpose.

Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by dotancohen on Thursday November 21, 2024 @07:23PM (#42210085)
Ironic considering that South Africa was the one who pursued this case against Israel.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by nickff on Thursday November 21, 2024 @01:04PM (#42206927)
ICC member Mongolia didn't arrest Putin when he visited. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/ukraine-situation-icc-pre-trial...
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by aguaviva on Thursday November 21, 2024 @01:57PM (#42207429)
The fact that it's the only country he's been able to visit since the warrant was issued (aside from North Korea) indicates that, by and large -- it's working as intended.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by ganeshkrishnan on Thursday November 21, 2024 @02:26PM (#42207700)
>The fact that it's the only country he's been able to visit since the warrant was issued

Putin has visited around 20 countries after this ICC warrant including UAE, Saudi Arabia, China, Armenia, Vietnam , India (planned), Uzbekistan ...

Start here and start counting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_presiden...

But I know you wont. Your response will be shifting some goal posts like "these are not real countries because they don't exist in my coloring book"

Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by aguaviva on Thursday November 21, 2024 @02:40PM (#42207813)
I stand corrected:

"The fact that he's only been able to visit a relative handful of countries -- nearly all of which were traditional Cold War allies (and several of these being current or former vassal states) -- indicates that, by and large, the warrant is working as intended."

BTW the number is 9, not 20.

Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by nickff on Thursday November 21, 2024 @03:21PM (#42208216)
Not grandparent, but where are you getting 9?

I get 16 from the Wiki:

Tajikistan

Turkmenistan

Iran

Uzbekistan

Kazakhstan

Armenia

Kyrgyzstan

Belarus

China

United Arab Emirates

Saudi Arabia

North Korea

Vietnam

Azerbaijan

Mongolia

Turkmenistan

Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by aguaviva on Thursday November 21, 2024 @03:24PM (#42208239)
I'm looking at the bullet lists for 2023-2024, whereas it seems you may be looking at the table of all post-2022 visits (several of which were before the warrant was issued).
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by sgjohnson on Thursday November 21, 2024 @04:43PM (#42208976)
Several of the countries listed are not members of the ICC, so they don’t really count here.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by runarberg on Thursday November 21, 2024 @06:43PM (#42209828)
I count 12. However only Mongolia is a member of the ICC, 3 (Kyrgyzstan, UAE and Uzbekistan) have signed the Rome Statute, but have not ratified it, and none of the other 8 (China, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Vietnam, Azerbaijan, and Turkmenistan) has even signed it. Russia it self has signed it, but, like the USA and Israel, has notified the Secretary General that they have no intention of ratifying it.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by runarberg on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:30AM (#42205271)
There have been several pundits with opinion on the matter, you’ll find quite a few in any news source (personally I recommend al-Jazeera). The gist of it is that this will have implication mostly around travels of Israeli officials to Europe. We might also see a slow and gradual policy shift in Europe as a result of this.
Re:ICC issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and ... by latentcall on Thursday November 21, 2024 @11:20AM (#42205849)
Ah yes three countries accused of doing really heinous shit do not recognize the legitimacy of the International Criminal Court. How convenient.