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Re:The shrimp welfare project by holden_nelson on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:03AM (#42180220)
> You can’t detect it, you can’t measure it

Eh, perhaps we can’t detect it perfectly reliably, but we can absolutely detect it. Go to a funeral and observe a widow in anguish. Just because we haven’t (yet) built a machine to detect or measure it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Re:The shrimp welfare project by NoMoreNicksLeft on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @10:06AM (#42184182)
> Eh, perhaps we can’t detect it perfectly reliably, but we can absolutely detect it. Go to a funeral and observe a widow in anguish.

If your definition of suffering describes both the widow grieving a lost husband and a shrimp slowly going whatever the equivalent is of unconscious in an icewater bath... it doesn't much seem to be a useful word.

> Just because we haven’t (yet) built a machine to

Yes, because we haven't built the machine, we can't much tell if the widow is in "anguish" or is putting on a show for the public. Some widows are living their most joyous days, but they can't always show it.