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Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by jandrewrogers on Monday November 18, 2024 @12:43AM (#42170008)
FWIW, I don’t have any experience in Japan, I have no idea what the nuances are like there. I have a lot of experience in Europe, which echoed some of the themes raised.
Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by dopfk09320k on Monday November 18, 2024 @12:56AM (#42170078)
Do you have examples ? I have never heard European people being sued for quitting either. The opposite of at-will employment is not that you can't quit. Just that employers can't suddenly fire you without repercussions.
Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by walthamstow on Monday November 18, 2024 @02:51AM (#42170579)
In the UK, an employee can't legally walk off the job without notice but it does happen albeit rarely. Nobody ever sues them. The only reason people don't do it more often is so they have a reference for their next employment.

The more common way to do this these days is to feign an illness like stress and get signed off work, paid, by the doctor, then quit later.

Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by Ekaros on Monday November 18, 2024 @03:39AM (#42170762)
In Finland I believe you need very vindictive company. And even then any amount of money you can get out of it likely is not worth the work hours spend.
Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by harry_ord on Monday November 18, 2024 @05:45AM (#42171272)
The notice period is kinda odd. I've known people who want to leave immediately and haven't had a lot of trouble doing so because the relationship with their employer has soured that much.

Paid by the doctor? I think sick pay comes from the employer initially and later statutory sick pay(state).

Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by walthamstow on Monday November 18, 2024 @06:46AM (#42171594)
You're right, the doctor thing is just bad grammar or sentence structure on my part
Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by apelapan on Monday November 18, 2024 @02:12AM (#42170431)
The termination period in a Swedish employment contract certainly applies in both directions.

If you have three months notice period in your contract, your employer could sue for loss of income if you don't honour that notice period.

It usually doesn't happen that way, because it is a waste of everyone's time and money. But, if some employer feels the need to set an example the option is there.

Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by dopfk09320k on Monday November 18, 2024 @02:46AM (#42170558)
That is certainly supprising to me. I assume most people just deal with it by showing up but silent quitting ?
Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by apelapan on Monday November 18, 2024 @11:24AM (#42173931)
If there is bad blood leading up to the termination, then I guess so. I haven't witnessed that more than once or twice in my career.

Most people make an extra effort to end on a positive note, both with colleagues and managers. Of course, effectively off-boarding yourself means having progressively less and less to do as time goes by... So in that sense you sort of quiet quit.

Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by erinnh on Monday November 18, 2024 @02:14AM (#42170437)
It is possible to be sued for damages in Germany if you quit and don't come back to work during your notice period.

Its not very likely and hard to prove damages by the employer, but possible.

Nothing really stopping you from simply half-assing your job during your notice period, though.

Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by adrianN on Monday November 18, 2024 @02:26AM (#42170471)
It is my understanding that you haven’t quit until your notice period is over, you just have given notice. As such it is not surprising to me that you still have to do the job or face some consequences; you signed a contract after all. You would sue your employer too if they fired you and then immediately stopped paying you.
Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by johnisgood on Monday November 18, 2024 @03:25AM (#42170720)
Depends, in Eastern Europe "suing" does not happen often, in fact, it is quite rare, for both employers and employees. I see how people in the US are threatening to sue all the time, but that is not the case around here. It would take too much time and money and usually is not worth it.
Re:How Japanese Black Companies Oppress Workers and Ruin Lives by adrianN on Monday November 18, 2024 @05:44AM (#42171269)
I don’t know statistics but here in Germany many people have insurance that pays for attorneys in case of conflicts related to employment and would make use of it.