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Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by bluedevilzn on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:12AM (#42148201)
It’s lucrative if your bar is 6 figures.

No engineer that makes 7 figures calls themselves a ruby developer with the exception of DHH.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by Xelynega on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:16AM (#42148247)
Isn't the average for software developers in the US ~100k(before taxes)?

Assuming that high earners are offsetting that to the higher end, most people aren't making 6 figures, and the bar isn't which language they're programming in.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by alexawarrior4 on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:09PM (#42148755)
One of the few areas of reliable statistics about US software developer pay come from the US Government Bureau of Labor Statistics. The median wage as of May 2023:

$132,270

This means half of all full time employed devs are higher, and half are lower. The mean is more skewed by higher earners but is similar:

$138,110

It also varies quite widely by geographic location, from a mean high of $173,780 in California to only $125,890 in Texas, from $199,800 in San Jose to $132,500 in Austin to $98,960 in rural Kansas (where I have actually developed software before!)

The short of it is, the vast majority of software developers do not make the top salaries. Even L6 is rare within the top tier of tech. There is a lot of delusion in this field around pay, so it's important to be well informed. As a field we are still very well paid compared to most other jobs especially considering our safe working conditions and lack of needed credentials and education. Compared to most of the work on this planet, it's still a goldmine.

Source: https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151252.htm

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by duped on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:26AM (#42148366)
100k is on the lower end of junior salary
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by Jtsummers on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:35AM (#42148446)
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...

Junior salaries go down much lower than $100k.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by duped on Friday November 15, 2024 @01:19PM (#42149454)
That doesn't match my experience on both ends of the hiring table. And forgive me if forwarding the BLS statistics to candidates doesn't get them to accept offers, because I know it wouldn't help me when I can get paid a lot more elsewhere.
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by Jtsummers on Friday November 15, 2024 @01:28PM (#42149521)
> That doesn't match my experience on both ends of the hiring table.

Congratulations, your experience is limited. The BLS stats represent the actual US salary data, not just your limited experience. If you want to make a claim about salaries in the US then look at data across the US and not just whatever is true within your limited bubble.

> And forgive me if forwarding the BLS statistics to candidates doesn't get them to accept offers

Did I ever even suggest such a thing?

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by duped on Friday November 15, 2024 @02:10PM (#42149881)
I take the BLS numbers with a huge grain of salt, they are useful for identifying trends and not absolute facts on the ground.

> Did I ever even suggest such a thing?

My point is that the BLS doesn't set market rates or report on them.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by kstrauser on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:38AM (#42148476)
...in tech hubs. That's a pretty great living in most other places.
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by duped on Friday November 15, 2024 @01:18PM (#42149444)
Most places don't have qualified tech workers in spades.
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by botanical76 on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:49PM (#42149173)
Is this some coveted attempt to push tech salaries higher?
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by marcellus23 on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:17AM (#42148272)
Nominated for most HN comment of the week.
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by ryandrake on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:42AM (#42148510)
Come on! Everyone posting on HN makes $500K a year, has a vacation home in Tahoe and drives a brand new Ferrari. They think "L6 at Google in the Bay Area" is the median job level for the entire software industry.
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by ForHackernews on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:53AM (#42148604)
If this article and the comments here are to be believed, all you need to do to make L6 is grind on leetcode.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by dmvdoug on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:42AM (#42148513)
Where’s n-gate.com when you need them, eh? :)
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by marcellus23 on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:03PM (#42148695)
Man I miss n-gate. Sometimes I go back and read the archives just for fun.
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by qwertygnu on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:15AM (#42148244)
There's no need to be shooting for 7 figures. Get a life
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by bluedevilzn on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:46AM (#42148552)
Working 40 hours and making 7 figures, gives you plenty of time to have a life.

The key here is not to categorize as a “language developer”.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by NoMoreNicksLeft on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:30PM (#42148951)
Is 7 figures even realistic? I was under the impression that even a senior FAANG job was still just under $300k typically. Does anyone outside of a CTO/CIO make $1mil+?
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by inerte on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:38PM (#42149045)
I know half a dozen of Senior Staff at FAANGs and they make I would say around 600k - 700k, more of course if stocks appreciate but that's hard to control.

Consistent total compensation offers of $1mil+ is probably reserved for roles above these, sometimes called Principal or Distinguished. I would say the rate of having one of these in an org are like 1 for ~150 engineers.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by sundaeofshock on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:17AM (#42148262)
How many developers are out there making $1,000,000/year? Not in the hopes of hitting it big someday off of equity, but actual annual payoff?

How many companies are out there paying $1,000,000/year for devs?

How many devs who can command that kind salary are going to put up with bullshit coding challenges?

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by bluedevilzn on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:48AM (#42148563)
Many thousands of Sr. Staff engineers+ and Sr. managers+ across FAANG.

Google alone has 4000 directors all making a million at minimum.

I have only worked at FAANG across my nearly decade long career. So, it’s a biased but very large sample.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by margalabargala on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:12PM (#42148774)
Okay, and let's say there's another 4000 Sr Staff+ engineers at Google making that much. That's 4% of the company.

That's not unheard of, but it's certainly rare. $1 million+ is not a "typical salary", even at Google.

Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by alexawarrior4 on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:12PM (#42148777)
If you sample only from the 10,000 or so current Olympic athletes, you will draw similarly incorrect conclusions about the 8 billion planetary general population's athletic ability.
Re:Please, Stop the Coding Challenges by bigstrat2003 on Friday November 15, 2024 @02:51PM (#42150249)
Bro this comment is so out of touch it's ridiculous. A 6 figure salary is lucrative. 7 figures is a crazy pipe dream that basically nobody will ever experience.