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Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by rs999gti on Thursday November 14, 2024 @12:30PM (#42138658)
> Alex Jones is such a big name and has other channels (x.com, Joe Rogan etc.) that he can easily build a similar site/business under a new domain name.

Maybe but the judgement was for 1B USD. So any profits would probably be garnished away.

Basically, lawfare was used to censor Alex Jones. I wonder if this is a case for the Supreme Court and First Amendment rights?

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by qingcharles on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:16PM (#42139287)
Lawfare? This is literally how defamation works.

If someone said on the Internet said that rs999gti was a "tax-evading, pyramid-scheming, mullet-wearing, karaoke-ruining, ferret-hoarding, snake-oil-selling, cereal-with-water-eating, grammar-mangling, table-manner-less, engagement-ring-pawning, salad-dodging, traffic-cone-stealing, apology-dodger," and it wasn’t true, I think you’d probably like to sue them and take their money too.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by rs999gti on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:30PM (#42139455)
> Lawfare?

Yes the court's judgment is so high, 1B USD, that he cannot make money without it being garnished. How does he get back to work? I personally do not think anyone should lose their livelihood over speech, NOTE: I did not say free speech. What he did is reprehensible but not enough that he is basically black balled from making a living. Penalties yes, loss of livelihood no.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by kabdib on Thursday November 14, 2024 @04:21PM (#42141357)
$1B is the amount it took to get him to stop. He could have stopped earlier, and had ample opportunity, but that was apparently his price.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by jpk on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:53PM (#42139754)
Having your wages garnished doesn't mean you starve to death. He's perfectly capable of making a living, supporting himself and his dependents, if any, but his ability to build wealth will be restricted. I don't know the particulars of this case, but generally:

"The garnishment amount is limited to 25% of your disposable earnings for that week (what's left after mandatory deductions) or the amount by which your disposable earnings for that week exceed 30 times the federal minimum hourly wage, whichever is less."

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/if-wages-are-garnish...

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by gonzo on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:50PM (#42139709)
Alex is free to work at the local car wash.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by rvense on Friday November 15, 2024 @09:44AM (#42147360)
The judgment was not for an off-the-cuff remark or writing a few paragraphs online. He ran a smear campaign against people whose kids were shot, for almost a decade, even though he knew what he was saying was untrue. Jones's "speech" had severe real-world consequences for his targets, and there's no reason to assume he has repented. It would be no injustice if he was never allowed near a microphone again.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by darkarmani on Friday November 15, 2024 @12:45PM (#42149137)
> Yes the court's judgment is so high, 1B USD, that he cannot make money without it being garnished. How does he get back to work? I personally do not think anyone should lose their livelihood over speech

He was harassing parents of dead children in order to personally enrich himself. Why do you think he shouldn't have to forgo his ill begotten gains? It's only 1B USD, because he refused to stop doing it. And then he decided not to really show up for court and accept the summary judgement of 1B USD.

Most of his penalty has nothing to do with speech. He can keep on speaking all he wants. He might suffer consequences, but he is free to say whatever he wants to.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by jandrese on Thursday November 14, 2024 @04:21PM (#42141351)
"Lawfare" is when people break the law and are actually prosecuted for it even though they are rich and right wing and think they laws don't apply to them.

Alex Jones wasn't even subtle about it. He was getting judgements telling him to stop spouting blatant lies about victims of a mass shooting and he just doubled down on the lies. Repeatedly. The courts kept giving him more rope and he kept tying more nooses.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by sophacles on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:02PM (#42139095)
Was it? The constitution lays out slander and libel as types of speech that can be censored. The trashy Jones then knowingly and maliciously lied about people for profit - aka libel and slander. Seems reasonable to take the money he made as well as punitive damages.

How is censorship?

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by tptacek on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:29PM (#42139444)
The constitution lays out slander and libel as types of speech that can be censored

I don't think defamation law is unconstitutional, but, no it doesn't.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by labster on Thursday November 14, 2024 @02:54PM (#42140450)
The US courts have ruled that there are time, place, and manner limits on freedom of speech.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by tptacek on Thursday November 14, 2024 @02:55PM (#42140468)
I don't think defamation law is unconstitutional.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by labster on Thursday November 14, 2024 @03:43PM (#42141000)
Neither do I
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by mionhe on Thursday November 14, 2024 @09:50PM (#42143557)
Yes. But as he didn't overtly call for violence against anyone here, it doesn't apply.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by rs999gti on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:14PM (#42139259)
> How is censorship?

How does he make future money, you know for living?

The judgement basically means the courts get to garnish his wages until the judgement is paid.

Jones is a goof to me and I like seeing him rant and rave and wear foil hats. But I don't think anyone should have their livelihood taken from them by censorship of the courts. EDIT: remember all judgments and penalties cut both ways. Today Jones tomorrow someone you follow in the media.

Lower the judgement to 1M USD (EDIT: or something reasonable) and let's move on.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by triceratops on Thursday November 14, 2024 @02:00PM (#42139844)
> Today Jones tomorrow someone you follow in the media

Anyone who knowingly spreads lies about a person and causes them harm should face legal consequences.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by egoisticalgoat on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:34PM (#42139506)
Not sure how it works in the US, but e.g. in germany only a certain portion of your wages go towards debts, they let you have a certain portion for yourself since you need it to live.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by sophacles on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:58PM (#42139826)
His livelihood wasn't taken. His assets were taken because he did damages and has to pay for those damages.

He can go get all sorts of jobs. Yeah his wages will be garnished, but that doesn't mean his whole paycheck - just the lesser of 25% of the paycheck or 30x minimum wage. He can make money and a living with that just fine. Same as I'd expect for anyone intentionally lying and hurting people for money - whether I "follow" them or not.

Perhaps you should find some reputable sources for information, instead of relying on the proven liar to tell the truth about his situation?

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by rs999gti on Thursday November 14, 2024 @04:02PM (#42141184)
> Perhaps you should find some reputable sources for information

Did you read my post? Jones is a source of entertainment for me.

Unlike most of the people who replied, I don't like cancel culture.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by tptacek on Thursday November 14, 2024 @04:13PM (#42141289)
It's OK to have an unpopular opinion here, but not OK to cast aspersions on people who object to that opinion.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by sophacles on Thursday November 14, 2024 @05:10PM (#42141751)
Interesting position...

You dont like cancel culture, but support Jones - a person who is literally being discussed for encouraging his followers to shut down the people saying their kids were killed.

I mean the statements about crisis actors and whatnot were maliciously false, and pure slander. But to those who beleived them, Jones was advocating for them to be cancelled - that is they should be stopped from spreading lies and that they should be locked up and sent away.

Odd juxtaposition.

Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by jazzyjackson on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:35AM (#42148455)
Well you see, he wasnt being serious when he was calling the parents of slain children crisis actors, he was just being entertaining.
Re:The Onion Buys Alex Jones's Infowars Out of Bankruptcy by result2vino on Thursday November 14, 2024 @05:42PM (#42141984)
> Today Jones tomorrow someone you follow in the media.

Christ. As a non-American, this comment says a lot about the hilariously broken state of your political landscape.

“It could happen to one of your guys, and that somehow makes it bad!”

Anyone that does what Alex did deserves his punishment, and I’d be against anyone that did what he did, even if I previously “followed” them.