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Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @11:34AM (#42127517)
>How much is 48 _megabytes_ of RAM in 2024? 5¢? 10¢?

about $500-1000 https://eu.mouser.com/c/semiconductors/memory-ics/sram/?memo...

>Why not just

he said the magic words!

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by moosedev on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @02:09PM (#42128911)
Those are SRAMs. A 286 system wants DRAM, which is usually a lot cheaper.

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/difference-between-sram-and-dr...

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @04:17PM (#42130084)
286 doesnt want anything, CPU is ram agnostic. Project author didnt want to mess with implementing DRAM controller, not that its difficult. Here a simple 16 bit controller realized with ten 74xx chips https://amigaprj.blogspot.com/2013/05/amiga-fast-ram-expande...
Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by moosedev on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @06:59PM (#42131615)
Oh right, I didn’t read far enough to see there’s no DRAM support - very unusual for a 286 system (at least a PC-compatible one). That’s a big tradeoff, indeed. Thanks!
Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @08:18PM (#42132147)
I wouldnt call it a tradeoff. Author didnt want to design memory controller, and SRAM gets him effortless 0 wait state access.

Personally Im also a fan of keeping ram oldschool. I even reverse engineered a ram card for a 386 board just last week https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by moosedev on Thursday November 14, 2024 @07:38AM (#42135637)
The tradeoff would be speed and implementation simplicity against the high cost of SRAM, like you highlighted :)

(Re your 386 RAM board: Nice necroproject!)

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by lproven on Thursday November 14, 2024 @05:50AM (#42134955)
Ah, OK, it is all static RAM? Ouch...
Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by NikkiA on Saturday November 16, 2024 @03:17AM (#42155226)
> about $500-1000 https://eu.mouser.com/c/semiconductors/memory-ics/sram/?memo...

Only because you're including RAM spec'ed at 75pS access times.

If you limit the selection to 133MHz (the slowest 'max speed' - ridiculous, you can still easily purchase NEW 50nS and 70nS SRAM elsewhere, this is why I don't buy from mouser)...

Then the price falls to £5 for a 32MB (256Mbit) chip, which isn't excessively priced, but it still more than I paid for similar chips a few weeks ago.

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Sunday November 17, 2024 @12:54AM (#42162278)
Thats a serial Pseudo SRAM you are looking at :)