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Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by lproven on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @07:20AM (#42125430)
I do not understand why there's an ISA memory card.

The 80286 can only address 16MB of RAM. Why not just fill the memory map as standard, then there's no need for SIMM slots or any other memory expansion?

Give me a few Upper Memory Blocks for DOS, and provision for 32MB of EMS as well, and frankly for a DOS machine there is nothing left to add in terms of memory.

How much is 48 _megabytes_ of RAM in 2024? 5¢? 10¢?

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by NikkiA on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @09:06AM (#42126210)
I bought 16MB of SRAM for a Z80 project a few weeks back, they were £3/4MB(32Mb) chip
Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by lproven on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @09:10AM (#42126231)
Thanks for that!

More than I thought, but still, a relatively small amount for what will work out as a quite expensive retro build.

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @11:34AM (#42127517)
>How much is 48 _megabytes_ of RAM in 2024? 5¢? 10¢?

about $500-1000 https://eu.mouser.com/c/semiconductors/memory-ics/sram/?memo...

>Why not just

he said the magic words!

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by moosedev on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @02:09PM (#42128911)
Those are SRAMs. A 286 system wants DRAM, which is usually a lot cheaper.

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/difference-between-sram-and-dr...

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @04:17PM (#42130084)
286 doesnt want anything, CPU is ram agnostic. Project author didnt want to mess with implementing DRAM controller, not that its difficult. Here a simple 16 bit controller realized with ten 74xx chips https://amigaprj.blogspot.com/2013/05/amiga-fast-ram-expande...
Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by moosedev on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @06:59PM (#42131615)
Oh right, I didn’t read far enough to see there’s no DRAM support - very unusual for a 286 system (at least a PC-compatible one). That’s a big tradeoff, indeed. Thanks!
Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @08:18PM (#42132147)
I wouldnt call it a tradeoff. Author didnt want to design memory controller, and SRAM gets him effortless 0 wait state access.

Personally Im also a fan of keeping ram oldschool. I even reverse engineered a ram card for a 386 board just last week https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by moosedev on Thursday November 14, 2024 @07:38AM (#42135637)
The tradeoff would be speed and implementation simplicity against the high cost of SRAM, like you highlighted :)

(Re your 386 RAM board: Nice necroproject!)

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by lproven on Thursday November 14, 2024 @05:50AM (#42134955)
Ah, OK, it is all static RAM? Ouch...
Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by NikkiA on Saturday November 16, 2024 @03:17AM (#42155226)
> about $500-1000 https://eu.mouser.com/c/semiconductors/memory-ics/sram/?memo...

Only because you're including RAM spec'ed at 75pS access times.

If you limit the selection to 133MHz (the slowest 'max speed' - ridiculous, you can still easily purchase NEW 50nS and 70nS SRAM elsewhere, this is why I don't buy from mouser)...

Then the price falls to £5 for a 32MB (256Mbit) chip, which isn't excessively priced, but it still more than I paid for similar chips a few weeks ago.

Re:80286 ATX mainboard based on the IBM 5170 AT PC by rasz on Sunday November 17, 2024 @12:54AM (#42162278)
Thats a serial Pseudo SRAM you are looking at :)