Elephant learned to use a hose as a shower. Then her rival sought revenge

Re:Elephant learned to use a hose as a shower. Then her riva... by nicoburns on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @03:18AM (#42113713)

The fact that it's possible for me to be aware of anything at all is interesting though, and definitional of conciousness. It's possible the roomba's also experience things, but we generally assume that they don't.

This is entirely separate from whether one's perceptions are an accurate representation of reality, or whether one's experiences correspond to the parts of the brain that respond to things.

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Re:Elephant learned to use a hose as a shower. Then her riva... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Thursday November 14, 2024 @10:44AM (#42137327)

> The fact that it's possible for me to be aware of anything at all is interesting though, and definitional of conciousness.

"it's possible for me to be aware of anything" <--- restating your premise. Not evidence that your premise is true. Your definition of consciousness is circular.

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Re:Elephant learned to use a hose as a shower. Then her riva... by nicoburns on Thursday November 14, 2024 @04:49PM (#42141596)

Everything in philosophy (and life in general) is grounded in base beliefs that are assumed rather than justified with reason.

If you don't believe that you have experiences of any kind then there is indeed no point in us discussing things further.

If you do believe that you have experiences of some kind, then I can tell you that I am taking to be definitional of consciousness - that when I say "conciousness", that's what I mean - and we can start from there.

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