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Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by throwaway2037 on Monday November 11, 2024 @08:43PM (#42112086)
Woah, I could not believe this post, until I looked it up. Wiki says: <<On 24 October 2014, Brazil and Sweden signed a 39.3 billion SEK (US$5.44 bn, R$13 bn) contract for 28 Gripen E (single-seat version) and eight Gripen F (dual-seat version) fighters for delivery from 2019 to 2024 and maintained until 2050>>

That is 150M USD per plane. However, this might include maintenance costs, which would make it different from most F35 purchases that I have seen. Does anyone know any more specific details?

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by wbl on Monday November 11, 2024 @08:50PM (#42112124)
I'm not really sure what maintenance costs over that period in a contract look like: certainly getting them down to a number introduces a bunch more risks for someone (inflation etc), and not having them has other risks. Getting numbers here is sadly hard, and I agree my comparison might be not apples to apples.

Even if the flyaway cost of a Grippen is $50 million the number of planes to accomplish the same mission is a lot more, and some of that number will be lives lost. I'm pretty confident it's within half an order of magnitude of F-35 price.

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by s1artibartfast on Monday November 11, 2024 @09:19PM (#42112230)
The wikipedia page lists 9 digit flyaway costs for other Gripen versions, so even if it includes some support, the bulk of the price is the jet.

Edit: 5th generation jets are just incredibly expensive. I can't imagine how mad Turkey was when the US bilked them for their F35s, keeping both the jets and the billions Turkey paid.

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by wbl on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @09:51AM (#42115874)
Shouldn't have planned to let Russia see the radar returns then.
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:04PM (#42117290)
Interesting. My understanding is that the US refused to deliver after Turkey bought S-400 systems from Russia, and will still sell the F-35 to Turkey if they stop. Do the systems share radar returns with mother Russia or what exactly is the concern?

https://web.archive.org/web/20240202005500/https://ca.news.y...

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by wbl on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @10:48PM (#42122724)
Bingo. These systems are not packaged goods, but come with services that depend on getting a lot of the data to improve the system, and it's hard to control how they share. An air defense system is part of a network.