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Re:FDA Proposes Ending Use of Oral Phenylephrine as OTC Nasa... by Zak on Friday November 08, 2024 @03:36PM (#42090262)
This issue is symptomatic of an underlying problem for me: we do not regularly re-evaluate laws to see if they are having the intended effect.

American politics might have bigger problems at the moment, but under normal circumstances, I consider this pretty important. I'm not sure what the solution is, but an expiration date on nearly all laws comes to mind as a start to an interesting discussion on the matter.

Re:FDA Proposes Ending Use of Oral Phenylephrine as OTC Nasa... by ryandrake on Friday November 08, 2024 @04:57PM (#42090786)
It would be great if laws worked like software deployments:

1. Roll out law to 2%, look for any obvious unintended effects (like we check for crashes)

2. Roll out law to 50%, study for effectiveness. Is the intended positive effect happening in the experiment population? Any effect on the control population?

3. Finally, roll out law to 100% and keep monitoring.

4. Be ready to roll back to 0% if failures seen at any stage.

5. Be ready to apply a zero day patch after it's at 100% if edge cases are found.

But, we don't do any of this! Lawmakers make a law and yolo it into production on a fixed date, and it's often impossible to roll it back or modify it.

Re:FDA Proposes Ending Use of Oral Phenylephrine as OTC Nasa... by justinpombrio on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:16PM (#42090899)
We do sort of do that, with state laws. Different states try out different laws, and copy laws from other states. Ideally a state will repeal laws that don't work well, and copy laws from other states when they work well. In practice it's all a mess of course.

California is the experimental group.

Re:FDA Proposes Ending Use of Oral Phenylephrine as OTC Nasa... by FireBeyond on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:13PM (#42090887)
> This issue is symptomatic of an underlying problem for me: we do not regularly re-evaluate laws to see if they are having the intended effect.

Even the Constitution. It was intended to be revisited for appropriateness and currency every 20 years.

Instead, a significant number of people, including some on the Supreme Court, believe that the Founding Fathers[1] could speak no wrong words and that the Constitution is the perfect document, to be taken at its word, with no deviation, until the end of time.

[1] Pop Quiz: "How old were the Founding Fathers when they signed the Declaration of Independence and crafted the Constitution?" You'd be forgiven for thinking they were world-weary, wizened old men. In fact, the majority were under forty. Indeed, it was also signed by a sixteen-year-old, a 21-year-old, two 26-year-olds, a 27-year-old, and a 29-year-old.

Re:FDA Proposes Ending Use of Oral Phenylephrine as OTC Nasa... by tptacek on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:24PM (#42090943)
Yes but the life expectancy was only 35 so in relative terms they were all senior.
Re:FDA Proposes Ending Use of Oral Phenylephrine as OTC Nasa... by bloopernova on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:48PM (#42091087)
Average life expectancy.

Once past your childhood, you had a good chance of making it to 60 at least.