*Shrugs* I think they have a much better understanding of the realities of their own lives than the clueless fools in Silicon Valley.

I completely agree, which is why I have been arguing all along that it is the disconnect between that lived reality and the way Democrats have been messaging that got in Harris' way.

Trump has a lot of faults, but it’s not that he can’t keep his messaging at a level even the most uneducated of voters can understand.

Does anyone remember when the left side of politics used to be about advocating for the working class?

Now that they just sneer at them.

Look, I’m all for the working class. I can totally see how they’d vote for Trump because at least it’s better than voting to continue the oligopoly that’s the US right now. At least when you’re voting for Trump it’s abundantly clear in whose interests he’s working, and maybe if you repeat the same thing to him often enough, he’ll actually do it on a whim.

It still feels like a dumb idea, because of well, literally everything the man has ever done. Has anything he’s done ever had a positive impact on the working class? At least the dems have a sorta spotty record on healthcare, and a minor interest in keeping the workers fed and clothed.

It’s not the working class that I have an issue with. It’s everyone voting for Trump that I have an issue with. They just happen to overwhelmingly be hillbillies.

Europe has sensible political parties for the working class, that actually work for their interests, and the only reason I can imagine the US doesn’t have them is because nobody is interested in them. They roundly rejected Sanders and he’s the closest the US ever came.

Clearly and unequivocally he has done things that benefit the working class because.....they voted for him in greater numbers than 2016.

But you are sneering at them as "hillbillies" (i.e stupid and ignorant), too dumb to know their own best interests

Honestly I think you are the one that is stupid and ignorant. And its precisely this kind of attitude that pushes people away from the Dems.

Is more like change the message fifty times a day so everybody ends confused and dazed and just remember or imagine the parts what they wanted to hear.