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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:44AM (#42064025)
As an expat, you can vote as a resident in the last state you claimed residency before leaving the country. So, if you're headed out for a bit, establish residency in a swing state before you go, and remember to vote while you're out of country.

https://www.overseasvotefoundation.org/content/what-state-do...

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by agubelu on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:23AM (#42064640)
It's quite funny how people talk about "immigrants", but when they are themselves the ones living in another country, then they are "expats".
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:26AM (#42064691)
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20170119-who-should-be-...

> The difference between an expat and an immigrant? Semantics

> “Immigrants are usually defined as people who have come to a different country in order to live there permanently, whereas expats move abroad for a limited amount of time or have not yet decided upon the length of their stay,” he says.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by agubelu on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:04PM (#42065376)
Now that you cite the BBC, there are quite sizable communities of UK citizens living in Spain after retirement (ie permanently, without a short or medium-term intention of going back) and they consistently refer to themselves as "expats".
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by alexlur on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:37PM (#42067082)
Not to mention that temporary seasonal agricultural workers have ever been called “expats” either.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by TomK32 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:28AM (#42064732)
Migrants then because Trump told you it's the last time you have to vote.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:31AM (#42064777)
Trump says lots of things. Too early to tell imho if the authoritarianism and populism is going to stick.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-fa...

> Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by TomK32 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:57PM (#42067407)
Trump 2016 got reasonable republicans into his cabinet that prevented worse, his new team (anyone seen his old VP Mike Pence?) will be unchecked and unhinged.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by intull on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:41PM (#42068103)
There still is a double standard though.

People from the wealthier first-world nations enjoy more international privileges — visa-on-arrival, stress-free travel, higher rates in currency exchange, dual citizenships, better societal structures and support for assimilation into foreign cultures.

Immigrants are either fleeing persecution or leaving their countries seeking a better life, requirements for visas and security checks, usually with not enough money, little privilege, and defacto distrust from foreign societal structures.

Relatively speaking, the typical expat can move around the world as they wish. Immigrants can't. So yes, immigrants, when they move, often do so, seeking to live elsewhere permanently.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by smnrchrds on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:35PM (#42069804)
It's never used that way in practice. No one calls Mexican seasonal agriculture workers in the US and Canada expats. No one calls Filipino maids and nannies in Singapore expats. No one calls Indian construction workers in Saudi Arabia expats. Regardless of the dictionary definition, expat is only used to refer to people coming from rich countries (US/UK/Singapore/etc.). Terms such as "migrant worker" are used for people coming from poor countries.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by PoignardAzur on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:29AM (#42064738)
Well it's a question of perspective, isn't it? You're an expat to your birth country and an immigrant to your country of arrival.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by edanm on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:49PM (#42067273)
But in this case they're talking about rights in your origin country, so "expat" is the only term that makes sense.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by TeaBrain on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:00PM (#42067465)
Expats typically aren't immigrating permanently to a country, or even trying to establish new citizenship, only residing to the medium to long term, with the option of returning to their home country where they have citizenship. If they do renounce their citizenship, then they are just immigrants.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by _heimdall on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:34AM (#42064830)
This feels like a very disingenuous way of participating in a democracy, and sounds like the kind of strategy that people would be up in arms over if MAGA voters were doing this.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by seanw444 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:56AM (#42065222)
Absolutely. "I'm going to leave America but participate in its elections anyways." Sounds like foreign influence to me.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:58AM (#42065262)
US citizens are required to pay taxes on global income, regardless of where they live. The US is unique in this regard. Why would US citizens not continue to have the right to vote while out of country? Certainly, if they renounce their US citizenship (and hence, the ability to be taxed as a non citizen non resident), they lose their right to vote.

"No taxation without representation."

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by potato3732842 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:45PM (#42066128)
>"No taxation without representation."

So you're in favor of exempting minors from federal taxation?

After all, their income is basically a rounding error economically and most don't make enough to pay net federal taxes so it might even be a net loss. There's no real reason to tax them unless it's some perverse Cartmanic exercise in making them accustomed to it.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Klonoar on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:30PM (#42065831)
America dictates that you have to participate unless you fully give up citizenship. America makes it difficult to do so.

It’s not foreign influence when America more or less demands it.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by yencabulator on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:07PM (#42065419)
It's the bottom-up variant of gerrymandering, and GOP/MAGA heartily embraces the top-down variant of gerrymandering.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by _heimdall on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:17PM (#42065608)
Sure, I guess that's fine if you're okay with playing dirty because the other side did.

Personally that feels like a great way to make sure we ruin things, rather than just arguing that those GOP members helping gerrymander might ruin things.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by xyzzy_plugh on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:00PM (#42065285)
How is it more disingenuous than any other way of participating, I wonder?

What difference does it make where you vote when you're an expat? You're still taxed and represented.

It would be a different matter if taxes were not involved, at least in my humble opinion. Other countries have revoked voting writes when you're no longer a tax paying citizen.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by _heimdall on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:03PM (#42065356)
Well for one thing, the aim is for those leaving the country to change their last registered residence to an area where their vote may have more impact. They never lived there and have no ties to that jurisdiction. You don't see anything wrong with voters that have nothing to do with your area casting votes there on everything from federal elections to local elections and ballot measures?

To me this feels like the kind of strategy that leads to us removing voting rights for expats. If the rule is meant to allow expats to still participating in voting in their hometown, and people abuse that to impact elections they have no real business voting in, eventually that right will just be removed.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by xyzzy_plugh on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:43PM (#42073489)
> If the rule is meant to allow expats to still participating in voting in their hometown

Is the rule meant to do that? I don't perceive that to be the case. What even is a hometown? What if someone doesn't have a hometown? What if you leave and never plan to return?

Decidedly expats do have real business in voting in elections otherwise this rule would have been removed. But it would be unconstitutional to tax citizens abroad upon depriving them the right to representation so this seems. Given there seems to be no appetite to disowning American expats this all seems moot.

I'm not aware of any other country with this sort of policy. It certainly seems to me that you get precisely what you ask for here, and there is no possiblity of abuse.