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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dcow on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:01AM (#42062397)
The point is not that Trump is a shining human. It’s simply not a winning move to run a dying senile man for office who’s two generations removed from having a sliver of empathy for the actual problems Americans are facing and then pivoting mid/race to a VP that gives men vasectomies at her rallies.

That was Trump’s competition. Trump may be abrasive but at least the version of him you see has already lost his mind so you know what you’re getting. And apparently it resonates with more Americans.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Daishiman on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:12AM (#42064477)
Everything you've said here is completely and absolutely delirious. This is the literal information of a low-information voter: someone who honestly believes that people are getting vasectomies at rallies or that a senile billionaire who says Haitians refugees are eating dogs as if it were reality is a better potential candidate.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sickofparadox on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:21AM (#42064606)
Surely insulting people by calling them "low information voters" (read as: stupid idiot) will win this time despite failing in 2016 and 2024. Also, people were at the very least offered vasectomies at the DNC rally[1], so maybe you should check your information levels, they seem to need a top-off.

[1]https://www.npr.org/2024/08/20/nx-s1-5081386/planned-parenth...

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Daishiman on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:59AM (#42065273)
You're picking one point in the headline that by itself sounds totally outrageous because in the mind of the low-information voter you read the headline and think to yourself a sketchy booth that says "free vasectomies!!!1" and somebody grabbing you in the middle of a convention saying "Kid, want a free vasectomy?".

In the context of a health check in reproductive health RV that offers a ton of things, _including_ vasectomies in the context of an informed discussion with a health expert, it is not only totally reasonable, but it should be extended to a host of other services that can provided in a mobile clinic the same that mobile vaccination sites were provided during COVID.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sickofparadox on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:12PM (#42065504)
>"in the mind of the low-information voter you read the headline and think to yourself a sketchy booth that says "free vasectomies!!!1" and somebody grabbing you in the middle of a convention saying "Kid, want a free vasectomy?"."

You have invented a person in your head to get mad at. Regardless, normal people think having the abortion clinic RV at your largest rally offering to sterilize your supporters is weird.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Daishiman on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:22PM (#42067807)
Normal people are in favor of abortion and reproductive health. The only way that's weird is if you want to dress it up as weird, which is what people who think you shouldn't be able to do with your body as you please believe.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dcow on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:25PM (#42073394)
I used to be a normal person. Then I became a parent. It changed my view on reproductive health entirely. I am not religious or conservative. I simply believe, based on lived experience, that life begins at conception. The tone with which the liberal democrats approach reproductive health, which you are parroting in your comment, is basic, immature, and inhuman. Bringing a new human into this world is a beautiful indescribable experience and the responsibility is shared equally. I no longer believe in ceding my half of that responsibility and my input over the process for the first 9 months solely to the mother. I don’t support a political agenda that believes the choice to terminate a pregnancy is only a woman’s to make, ra ra. Come what may.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dang on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:40PM (#42088766)
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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dcow on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:32PM (#42073415)
I am a low information voter. I am far too busy working to support my family to spend my spare time doing psychedelics and reciting the names of my favorite politicians (and other high society pass-times) for fun. The fact that democrats can’t seem to include these low information voters in their narrative, especially since they’ve proven yet again that they are at least willing to show up and vote, is concerning. I hope the normal people can come to the table with a relevant agenda next time. Virtue signaling reproductive health doesn't put food on the table.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dang on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:39PM (#42088756)
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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by CyberDildonics on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:35PM (#42065904)
a VP that gives men vasectomies at her rallies

Why would you ever think this is true?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sickofparadox on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:37PM (#42065956)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by CyberDildonics on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:08PM (#42066533)
Then the actual truth is 'planned parenthood sets up a mobile clinic near the democratic national convention'.

The vice president wasn't giving anyone vasectomies, a mobile clinic was at a huge event.

Now that we've established the actual truth and not a ridiculous hallucination, what is the problem?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sickofparadox on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:31PM (#42066969)
I don't know if English is your second language, so I'll try to explain this plainly. When GP says "a vice president" in their comment it is not meant as literally Kamala Harris, they are using a literary device called metonymy. Google's definition: the substitution of the name of an attribute or adjunct for that of the thing meant, for example suit for business executive, or the track for horse racing. "a VP" in GP is a substitution for "the Kamala Harris campaign" which absolutely did organize a mobile clinic to be present for a major event, at which vasectomies were offered. Here is further reading on Metonymy if you would care to learn more: https://liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/wlf/what-metonymy.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by CyberDildonics on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:33PM (#42067971)
I don't know if English is your second language

I don't know if English is your second language, but this is what's known as a lie for propaganda. There is something reasonable that everyone would be fine with (mobile medical clinic) and then there is the lie you're repeating that you're now going on an odyssey to back peddle away from as if you didn't just repeat propaganda.

Now that the truth has been established your forgot to explain what the problem is.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sickofparadox on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:56PM (#42068363)
Your clinging to the idea that there is anyone at all who has said and meant, literally, that Kamala Harris was providing vasectomies to anyone is the kind of shrill idiocy that led her to lose this election.

>"this is what's known as a lie for propaganda"

No one is outright lying, but you are certainly being dishonest by insisting someone else was not speaking figuratively when they obviously were.

>"your(sic) forgot to explain what the problem is."

The problem is that it is weird and off putting to most Americans that there is a clinic offering sterilization procedures to supporters of a politician at their rally.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by CyberDildonics on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:21PM (#42070424)
Your clinging to the idea that there is anyone at all who has said and meant, literally, that Kamala Harris was providing vasectomies

If you meant something else, why did you say what you did and not the truth? Because you are lying for propaganda. If you wanted to explain the actual truth you would have said it.

No one is outright lying,

You are and you're doing it on purpose for outrage over something that isn't real.

The problem is that it is weird and off putting to most Americans that there is a clinic offering sterilization procedures to supporters of a politician at their rally.

I would guess they offer it to everyone actually. What is the problem? You still haven't explained it.

Everything you've said is variations of "I didn't meant it so it wasn't a lie" and "it's just not right because it is".

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dcow on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:44PM (#42073495)
Whether you consider my statement factual or not is entirely beside the point.

You’re not going to agree. You don’t have to agree. It’s rhetorical—an attempt to help you understand how to someone might see things. A data point.

I’m explaining how people I know who are, feelings about Trump aside, disenfranchised with the entire democrat strategy, viewed a portion of the greater landscape. A lot of people I know thought it was kinda weird. I don’t owe you a convincing explanation as to why any more than my other comments in this thread might betray. Take it or leave it.

This election was never about Trump.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by CyberDildonics on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:52AM (#42076634)
Whether you consider my statement factual

I don't, because it's not.

disenfranchised

People are being fed constant propaganda like this. Maybe they wouldn't be so upset if they heard things that are true like "there was a mobile clinic in an adjacent parking lot to a convention".

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dcow on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:09AM (#42077291)
You continue to fail to comprehend the simple rhetorical logic here. You have all the information but cannot seem to process it. Why type of voter does that make you? One that lost.

You don’t need to splain to me how it actually was a mobile clinic. As has already been covered, I know what it was and I don’t know a single person who thinks like you claim to be outraged over. Your entire thread here is a non-sequitur, just like your party’s campaign strategy. People aren’t that dumb.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by CyberDildonics on Thursday November 07, 2024 @11:56AM (#42078419)
You don’t need to splain to me how it actually was a mobile clinic

Right, this is why it's a lie. You know the truth and you say something different, that's what lying is.

The rest of your comment is trying to rationalize and ignore the lies. Insults, people should know better, claiming outrage, trying to talk about something else instead, all to take the focus off the fact that you lied and even you know lying is wrong.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dcow on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:02PM (#42083039)
You really are that dense. I’m explaining how people perceived the two candidates. I am not making objective statements about reality. I am explaining peoples’ abject reality to you. Take it or leave it but either way continuing to whine about truth and lies isn't going to fix your party.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by CyberDildonics on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:14AM (#42084365)
This is back peddling from lying and not in the original comment I replied to.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dang on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:41PM (#42088775)
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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dang on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:42PM (#42088780)
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