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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by beretguy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:54AM (#42062301)
And republicans had a chance to pass border bill but they didn't because they actually don't care about border:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-republicans-blo...

Border is just a smoke screen. Actually goal is moving towards dictatorship, fascism, etc.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by giancarlostoro on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:29AM (#42063794)
I've heard this a lot, so I looked for the bill, because these bills usually have things that politicians don't tell you about.

> Next, the bill establishes an expedited process that authorizes asylum officers to adjudicate certain asylum claims. Among other provisions, these provisional noncustodial removal proceedings impose certain target timelines for determining asylum claims and limit review of denied claims. The bill also establishes a stricter threshold for individuals to remain in the United States pending adjudication of an asylum petition.

> The bill extends and establishes immigration pathways for Afghan citizens or nationals, including by (1) making certain individuals admitted or paroled to the United States eligible for conditional permanent resident status, and (2) expanding eligibility for special immigrant visas for certain individuals who were injured while supporting the U.S. mission in Afghanistan.

No wonder Republicans never voted for this. This goes against their MO. I can't blame them for not voting against their views and the views of their constituents on a specific part of the policy.

See for yourself here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/436...

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dleary on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:53AM (#42064179)
The problem with your argument is that this was only 8 months or so ago, and so we all remember how this bill was championed and lauded by the Republicans until Trump said “vote against it because I don’t want the Democrats to have a win”.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by giancarlostoro on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:46PM (#42071397)
My statement still stands, I quoted things ADDED to the bill over time, so by the time they added what the left wanted in order to vote for it, nobody wanted it.

If you visit my link, you will notice the asylum bits were all added on the same day they voted on the bill.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by newfriend on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:17PM (#42079273)
This is absolutely not true.

The very moment the text of the bill was released, Republican senators held a press conference on how there was zero chance of it being passed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944

Here is the Speaker talking about the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0tl8d5G3g

Despite what you may have been led to believe, Republican senators actually do have agency.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dleary on Friday November 08, 2024 @11:43AM (#42088232)
This is a strawman.

I didn't say that ALL Republicans supported it in hive-mind lockstep. I said "this bill was championed and lauded by the Republicans".

You linked to a video where 6 of the 49 Republican senators hold a mini-conference complaining about how they don't agree with their party's leadership. That doesn't refute the statement that "this bill was championed and lauded by the Republicans" if most Republicans champion and laud the bill.

Once again, I'll repeat: This was only 8 months ago. We remember how the bill was expected to pass before Trump told them not to.

And Trump specifically said that the reason not to was that he wanted to the border to remain weak so that he could nail the Democrats on it.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by cloverich on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:12PM (#42066606)
> The bill extends and establishes immigration pathways for Afghan citizens or nationals

Were R's against this part? I thought giving immigration pathways to those Afghans that fought on our side in the war had R support? I'm very fuzzy but seem to recall a Republican veteran being one of the key people advocating for it on a news segment i'd listened to.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by giancarlostoro on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:45PM (#42071394)
Expediting the process for illegals is something they wont want. This was added on to the bill after its original draft.

If you look at the link I posted they amended things to the bill over time.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by fastball on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:53AM (#42063201)
In hindsight seems like a good move on their part.

Why pass a bill with concessions when you can pass a bill exactly how you want it a year later, after sweeping the house, senate, and presidency.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by thebigspacefuck on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:30AM (#42062819)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by delecti on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:45AM (#42064037)
But dems don't campaign hard on immigration or the border, except in response to the GOP doing so.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by kristopolous on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:22AM (#42063690)
The point is to leave it unresolved so they can run on it again.

I'm so sick of that crap.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by beretguy on Monday November 11, 2024 @11:11AM (#42108176)
Right.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by misiti3780 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:11AM (#42063521)
This argument is so dumb. Yes, they had a chance, ill give you that, but this bill came up 3.5 years after Biden took office, after 8-10M illegals came in. They only started caring about the open border when they saw it could hurt them politically.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by slothtrop on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:31AM (#42062825)
Biden reversed Trump policies on the border, crossings increased, then they back-peddled too late. That is what voters are keenly aware of.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by misiti3780 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:12AM (#42063528)
OP doesnt want to acknowledge that for some reason.