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Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by mentalically on Saturday November 02, 2024 @01:31AM (#42024261)
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Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by defrost on Saturday November 02, 2024 @01:57AM (#42024323)
Is the implication here that you don't think testing vaccines is a good idea?
Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by mentalically on Saturday November 02, 2024 @02:02AM (#42024338)
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Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by defrost on Saturday November 02, 2024 @02:04AM (#42024343)
FWiW this wasn't "medical experimentation" by the medical establishment or any routine research lab, this was entirely the work of a single individual who gave themselves consent to take multiple vaccines.
Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by mentalically on Saturday November 02, 2024 @02:07AM (#42024357)
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Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by defrost on Saturday November 02, 2024 @02:16AM (#42024387)
> which is why I asked for his credentials on medicine and ethics, . In the absence of such credentials a rigorous essay on the matter would also have been sufficient

Who made you the arbitrar of such things? You come across as someone engaging in bad faith.

There's a wealth of pre existing discussion on the ethics of trials and many many places about the globe that conduct trials, paid trials even. (eg: https://trials.linear.org.au/)

It's not difficult to access ethical philosphers discussing the matter, nor is it difficult to read essays by practicing epidemiologists and others.

Do you have a specific problem with paid clinical trials of novel vaccines?

Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by NavinF on Saturday November 02, 2024 @02:19AM (#42024404)
1. I've participated in clinical trials in the US. Not covid, but drug trials in an MRI machine.

2. If someone wants funding to do an experiment like the one described in the article I'll gladly throw $1,000 in the pot. So will many engineers. There's nothing you can do about this.

3. If you put this on a ballot, I'll vote to spend billions of dollars paying people to test medical treatments. This includes challenge trials. Small price for a large reward. I don't need any credentials to advocate for policies that benefit everyone.

btw I answered your question but you didn't answer mine: Are you a doctor or an ethicists or just a regular armchair philosopher?

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Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by NavinF on Saturday November 02, 2024 @02:22AM (#42024424)
I literally explained that I did in #1. Answer my question

Edit: This is my crowd funding offer, I have no idea what this guy is talking about. My email is in my profile lol.

Re:German man deliberately got 217 Covid shots from 8 formul... by yawpitch on Saturday November 02, 2024 @02:20AM (#42024409)
Self-experimentation… it doesn’t take long form writing (or any other disingenuous appeals to authority) to realize that the only serious ethical question is on whether or not it was ethical for the hyper-consenting self-experimenter to consume 216 doses more than necessary. Once they’d done so anyway it would be less-than-ethical for any medical scientist who knew of it to not document their work and its outcomes.