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Re:M4 MacBook Pro by extr on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @11:33AM (#41996215)
I've owned an M1 MBP base model since 2021 and I just got an M3 Max for work. I was curious to see if it "felt" different and was contemplating an upgrade to M4. You know what? It doesn't really feel different. I think my browser opens about 1 second faster from a cold start. But other than that, no perceptible difference day to day.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by charliebwrites on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:14PM (#41996837)
This is how I feel about the last few iPhones as well

I upgraded from a 13 pro to a 15 pro expecting zippier performance and it feels almost identical if not weirdly a bit slower in rendering and typing

I wonder what it will take to make Mac/iOS feel faster

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by alwillis on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:19PM (#41996915)
> I upgraded from a 13 pro to a 15 pro expecting zippier performance and it feels almost identical if not weirdly a bit slower in rendering and typing

I went from an iPhone 13 mini to an iPhone 16 and it's a significant speed boost.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by lawgimenez on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:57PM (#41997446)
I went from 12 to 15 pro max, the difference is significant. I can listen to Spotify while shooting from the camera. On my old iPhone 12, this is not possible.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by jonhohle on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:29PM (#41997887)
I think that says more about Spotify than your phone.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by stevenjgarner on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:03PM (#41998289)
Test Spotify against YouTube Music (and others) - I personally see no reason for Spotify when I have YouTube Premium, which performs with less overhead.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by lancesells on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @03:13PM (#41999035)
Maybe they have friends and family on Spotify
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by pacifika on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:43PM (#41998726)
I’m sure you’re right but that’s pretty unreal.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by danieldk on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:33PM (#41997111)
I think the only upgrade now is from a non-Pro to Pro, since a 120Hz screen is noticeably better than a 60Hz screen (and a borderline scam that a 1000 Euro phone does not have 120Hz).

The new camera button is kinda nice though.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by matwood on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:39PM (#41997184)
> The new camera button is kinda nice though.

I was initially indifferent about the camera button, but now that I'm used to it it's actually very useful.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by tomjen3 on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:43PM (#41997245)
I upgraded my iPhone 13 pro to the 16 pro and it was overall really nice - but it was the better use of hardware, the zoom camera, etc.

The CPU? Ah, never really felt a difference.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by doublerabbit on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:47PM (#41997301)
XR to 13, as I don't want the latest and didn't want to loose my jailbreak.

Infuriated by the 13.

The 3.5mm audio thunder bolt adapters disconnect more often than usual. All I need to do is tap the adapter and it disconnects.

And that Apple has now stopped selling them is even more infuriating, it's not a faulty adapter.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by qubitcoder on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:30PM (#41998598)
I realize this isn't your particular use case. But with newer iPhones, you can use USB-C directly for audio. I've been using the Audio Technica ATH-M50xSTS for a while now. The audio quality is exceptional. For Slack/Team/Zoom calls, the sidetone feature plays your voice back inside the headphones, with the level being adjustable via a small toggle switch on the left side. That makes all the difference, similar to transparency/adaptive modes on the AirPod Pro 2s (or older cellphones and landlines).

I use a small Anker USB-A to USB-C adapter [1]. They're rock solid.

As great as the AirPod Pro 2s are, a wired connection is superior in terms of reliability and latency. Although greatly improved over the years, I still have occasional issues connecting or switching between devices.

Out of curiosity, what's the advantage of a jailbroken iPhone nowadays? I'd typically unlock Android phones in the past, but I don't see a need on iOS today.

Interestingly, the last time I used Android, I had to sideload Adguard (an adblocker). On the App Store, it's just another app alongside competing adblockers. No such apps existed in the Play Store to provide system-level blocking, proxying, etc. Yes, browser extensions can be used, but that doesn't cover Google's incessant quest to bypass adblockers (looking at you Google News).

[0] https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m50xsts [1] https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Anker-High-Speed-Transfer-Not...

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by doublerabbit on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:45PM (#41998744)
> Out of curiosity, what's the advantage of a jailbroken iPhone nowadays? I'd typically unlock Android phones in the past, but I don't see a need on iOS today.

I have custom scripts, Ad blocking without VPNs, Application firewalls.

I enjoy having most-full control of my device.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by nolist_policy on Thursday October 31, 2024 @04:48AM (#42004670)
Adguard is on the Play Store. Netguard as well.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by HumblyTossed on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:57PM (#41997456)
> The 3.5mm thunder bolt adapters

The what? is this the adapter for 3.5mm headphones? If so, you don't have to get Apple made dongles. Third parties make them also.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by Kirby64 on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:24PM (#41998554)
Or just buy the actual Apple adapter from any number of other vendors. Best Buy still has plenty in stock, for instance.

I'd guess the GPs actual problem is lint in the Lightning port though. Pretty common, relatively easy to clean out too, especially compared to USB-C.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by doublerabbit on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:42PM (#41998708)
I'm in the EU. Third party ones cost the same as authentic Apple ones. If not more.

Regardless of either, they both have the same fault.

The connector between the phone and the adapter is poor. It could just be a fault with my phone but I have no way of proving this.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by Kirby64 on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:49PM (#41998792)
Third party ones are almost certainly not as good as the actual Apple ones. The Apple one has remarkably good quality for its price.

I suspect this sounds like a problem with your specific phone. Never had a problem with any lightning accessories myself.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by doublerabbit on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:43PM (#41998718)
Yes, which have the same fault as Apple authentic adapters which cost the same amount if not more.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by internet2000 on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:49PM (#41997330)
It’s probably because of the jailbreak.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by HumblyTossed on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:58PM (#41997473)
How would that woller out his port?
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by andrei_says_ on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:54PM (#41997414)
16 pro has a specialized camera button which is a game changer for street / travel photography. I upgraded from 13 pro and use that. But no other noticeable improvements. Maybe Apple intelligence summarizing wordy emails.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by thenthenthen on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:04PM (#41997564)
> I wonder what it will take to make Mac/iOS feel faster

I know, disabling shadows and customisable animation times ;) On a jailbroken phone I once could disable all animation delays, it felt like a new machine (must add that the animations are very important and generally great ux design, but most are just a tad too slow)

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by ToucanLoucan on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:18PM (#41996896)
Can confirm. I have an M2 Air from work and an M1 Pro for personal, and tbh, both absolutely fly. I haven't had a serious reason to upgrade. The only reason I do kind of want to swap out my M1 Pro is because the 13" screen is a wee small, but I also use the thing docked more often than not so it's very hard to justify spending the money.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by stringsandchars on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:14PM (#41997702)
> It doesn't really feel different.

My work machine was upgraded from an M1 with 16GB of RAM to an M3 Max with 36GB and the difference in Xcode compile times is beyond belief: I went from something like 1-2 minutes to 15-20 seconds.

Obviously if opening a browser is the most taxing thing your machine is doing the difference will be minimal. But video or music editing, application-compiling and other intensive tasks, then the upgrade is PHENOMENAL.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by eropple on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:59PM (#41998249)
FWIW I think that's more the core count than anything. I have a M1 Max as a personal machine and an M3 Max at work and while the M3 Max is definitely faster, it isn't world-beating.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by jcgrillo on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @02:55PM (#41998858)
My current work machine is M1 Max 64Gb and it's the fastest computer I've ever used. Watching rust code compile makes me laugh out loud it's so quick. Really curious what the newer ones are like, but tbh I don't feel any pressure to upgrade (could just be blissfully ignorant).
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by Aeolun on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:25PM (#41997844)
I very much enjoy being able to start compilation and just seeing results fly by.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by fwip on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:33PM (#41997926)
I think most of that difference is going to be the huge increase in performance core count between the base chip and the Max (from 4 to 12). The RAM certainly doesn't hurt though!
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by jcalabro on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @03:02PM (#41998936)
I've found compile times on large C++ code bases to be the only thing I really notice improving. I recently upgraded my work machine from a 2017 i7 to a shiny new Ryzen 9 9950x and my clean compile times went from 3.5 minutes to 15 seconds haha. When I compile with an M2 Max, it's about 30s, so decent for a laptop, but also it was 2x the price of my new desktop workstation.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by thadk on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @06:43PM (#42001324)
The biggest difference I’ve seen is iPad Sidecar mode works far more reliably with the M3 Max than the M1 Max. There have been incremental improvements in speed and nits too, but having Sidecar not randomly crash once a day once on M3 was very nice.