Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by ocfnash on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @09:44AM
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As a kid, the alliterative mnemonic we were taught was "current kills".
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by dmd on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @09:49AM
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"It's the volts that jolt but the mils [milliamps] that kills."
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by metalman on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @11:44AM
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thats all theory
thing is that I mess with large two volt(nominal)
storage cells,the largest are over 250lbs and sit
like dumb beasts,waiting to oblige anyones low voltage requests,hundreds of amps on tap
be nothing to bolt ,some nice shiny copper handles to the terminals and mist them down with some warm salt water
I also mess around with microscopes,and compared to bugs,humans are very poorly made,so many tiny
things are flawless living perfection,and some like wolf(jumping) spiders are smart,smart enough
that they see us seeing them,and are ok with that
one thing that I have observed that plays into the
static electricity thing,is that many of the tiny
critters that I watch,are impecably clean,no dust
or dirt on them at all,perfectly clean,unlike a human finger,which is one zillabutt uggly thing,under magnification
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by dmd on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @11:46AM
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are you ok man
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by BoxOfRain on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @09:52AM
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Hence the saying 'it's the volts that jolt and the mills that kill'.
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by howenterprisey on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @11:32AM
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I've usually heard "volts hurt, amps kill".
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by tgv on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @10:04AM
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But can e.g. 3V DC kill? Perhaps by using the body's resistance, but I have the idea that the effect would be different from say 220V AC, which affects the nerves.
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by rtkwe on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @10:33AM
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Not generally, remember Ohm's Law I = V/R. Internally the body has a resistance of ~300 Ohms as a rough rule while our skin is 1000-10000 depending on the condition and contact area involved.
So 3V isn't going to pose any real risk unless it's applied internally and right across a critical nerve leading to your heart or a muscle directly on the heart. For reference pacemakers are generally set to 2-3 volts. Applied externally up to ~12V is generally considered low enough voltage there's a low risk of truly adverse effects.
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by hobs on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @01:25PM
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As shown in StyroPyro's video of him laying across dozens of car batteries (and then shorting them through various things) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaTX-nLm6Y
His entire rig at one point delivered >80k amps, but he's fine.
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by capitainenemo on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:06PM
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Speaking of, he also had this great video on lethality of electricity.
Re:The secret electrostatic world of insects
by BoxOfRain on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @10:56AM
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You'd have to really try.
10 milliamps across your heart can kill but using Ohm's law we can calculate 3V / 0.010 A to get a resistance of 300 ohms. This means you're probably still going to have a bad time if you apply it directly across your heart during open-heart surgery but other than that 3 volts just isn't enough to drive a lethal current through your skin.
Voltage is merely the "pressure" that charged particles experience. Voltage alone tells you nothing about how much charge is actually available once electricity is allowed to flow. And that's where the harm comes from. For static electricity, when you touch something, you get maybe a microcoulomb, once, and its gone. For a power socket, you get up to 16 coulombs per second continuously.