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Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by coldpie on Friday October 25, 2024 @03:49PM (#41948957)
I actually agree with you, newspapers really shouldn't be doing this. Our major local paper in the Twin Cities basically torched its reputation by endorsing wildly unqualified candidates for city offices (like, one guy they endorsed for Minneapolis city council didn't even live in Minneapolis). They recently decided to stop doing endorsements at all, which I think is the right decision.

But that's not what happened here. The editors did their normal endorsement process, but the owner of the paper stepped in and personally overrode their process for this one particular endorsement. That's a way different story from deciding to stop doing endorsements.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by bitshiftfaced on Friday October 25, 2024 @04:02PM (#41949092)
As they state in the opinion piece, Washington Post actually has a long history of not endorsing political candidates. You can also frame this as the owner stepping in to undo how the editors have been overriding their policy.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by drewbug01 on Friday October 25, 2024 @04:06PM (#41949147)
“Had”, not “has”, a long history of not endorsing candidates. They’ve been endorsing since the 80s.

The proper framing is “the owners stepped in to change the policy, to mirror the same policies they had before the 80s”.

Whether that’s right or wrong to do is a separate question. But framing this as though it has been editors going rogue or something is just not what’s happening at all.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by bitshiftfaced on Friday October 25, 2024 @08:33PM (#41951484)
> But framing this as though it has been editors going rogue or something is just not what’s happening at all.

Of which I didn't do. Granted, 40 years is a long time. But given that the company has had the policy of not endorsing for over two-thirds of its existence, I believe the "undo" framing is accurate.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by Molitor5901 on Friday October 25, 2024 @04:07PM (#41949153)
I saw that but I'm not sure I see the "long history". From Eisenhower to Carter, then from Carter to now, that's not much of a long history of non-endorsement. The Post is taking a very strong stance here and it will be interesting to see if this stands up in 2028. The LA Times may have left the door open to future endorsements, but not the Post.

Better question: Why now? What changed for them? Was it declining revenue/readers, an overhaul of ethics or process? I can't wait to read the tell all some day about these decisions.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by bitshiftfaced on Friday October 25, 2024 @04:12PM (#41949194)
* 1877 to Eisenhower
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by Molitor5901 on Friday October 25, 2024 @04:41PM (#41949496)
Yes, Thank you. Interesting.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by TMWNN on Friday October 25, 2024 @04:05PM (#41949134)
>But that's not what happened here. The editors did their normal endorsement process, but the owner of the paper stepped in and personally overrode their process for this one particular endorsement. That's a way different story from deciding to stop doing endorsements.

But it's also normal and expected for a) the editors/editorial board (not the same thing) to disagree at times with the publisher/owner, and b) the editorial board's public face to reflect the publisher/owner's view regardless.

If the editors wanted to endorse Trump but Bezos stepped in and decided that the paper would endorse Harris, or give no endorsement, the mechanism would be the same even if the outcome itself isn't. (What would also be different is endless acres of resulting news coverage praising Bezos for bravely stopping the Post's editorial board's NaziFascistKKK wrongthink, of course.)

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by gatvol on Friday October 25, 2024 @05:15PM (#41949857)
I would argue that endorsement while currently normalised, is not normal.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by Molitor5901 on Friday October 25, 2024 @04:47PM (#41949579)
Another point that just occurred to me: Who is the endorsement supposed to influence? I think in America at least, the national media has become so hyper partisan in the eyes of its readers, that an endorsement of a newspaper is really just preaching to the crowd. What difference does that endorsement really make?

At the national level, I don't think it really makes a difference if a newspaper endorses a candidate for President. Those who read and value the opinions of that newspaper are more inclined to vote for the endorsed candidate anyways.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by kcplate on Friday October 25, 2024 @07:37PM (#41951072)
It influences no one, but it sends a pretty loud message to the Democratic party that (now two, LATimes did same thing) normally reliable media orgs have lost confidence in the democrat party’s ability to bring forth a competitive candidate against Donald Trump.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by Hasu on Friday October 25, 2024 @07:48PM (#41951178)
> it sends a pretty loud message to the Democratic party that normally reliable media orgs have lost confidence in the democrat party’s ability to bring forth a competitive candidate against Donald Trump.

It's not two media organizations. Both wrote endorsements of Harris.

Two self-interested billionaires decided that they and their personal fortunes would be better off if those endorsements were not published.

The message this sends to the Democratic party is: suck up to the rich guys if you want power. It's bad for society.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by kcplate on Friday October 25, 2024 @08:10PM (#41951333)
> suck up to the rich guys if you want power

You don’t think this is a recent lesson? Pretty sure every politician already realized this. Since literally forever. Hell, I worked for a company whose wealthy owner had a steady stream of politicians flowing in and out of our offices promising the world for a handout, support, and help. Seemed like every week there was a tour or two for somebody. I have met literally 3 governors, several senators, US reps, state reps, county commissioners, multiple presidential candidates, sheriffs, mayors, wannabes for all and scores of political support staff who excitedly walked in my office while trying to schmooze the old man.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by elcritch on Saturday October 26, 2024 @02:37AM (#41953001)
> It's not two media organizations. Both wrote endorsements of Harris. > Two self-interested billionaires decided that they and their personal fortunes would be better off if those endorsements were not published.

How is it worse than a small cadre of elitist mono-culture editors using the reputation of WaPo for their chosen candidate?

Bezos didn't force WaPo to endorse another candidate, I think it's actually good they don't endorse anyone at all.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by ahiknsr on Saturday October 26, 2024 @07:50AM (#41954172)
> ability to bring forth a competitive candidate against Donald Trump.

Trump is a convicted felon, rapist and insurrectionist. Even a literal piece of shit would be competitive candidate against the orange **.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by Molitor5901 on Monday October 28, 2024 @02:13PM (#41974259)
That's a really good point I had not considered. It's signaling, I see that. To be withheld when it always been given would seem to be to be a very loud signal. This will be fascinating to examine after the election in a journalism class. I see a PhD thesis on withholding endorsements in the future..
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by throwaway48476 on Saturday October 26, 2024 @12:43AM (#41952605)
I think it's like wearing a jersey for your favorite sport franchise. It's not meant to influence anyone outside the group but reinforce group cohesion.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by Ajedi32 on Monday October 28, 2024 @02:11PM (#41974229)
Which seems like an even stronger reason for newspapers (or other purportedly unbiased organizations) to not to endorse candidates, no? It seems like it would create (or reinforce) an internal culture inclined to favor one particular side.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by throwaway48476 on Monday October 28, 2024 @02:15PM (#41974283)
A lot of newspapers are/were called the X_location Democrat or the like because historically the newspaper was an arm of the political party. Not as many exist now with the decline of news publishing.

Incomplete list. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Democratic_newspape...

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by Ajedi32 on Monday October 28, 2024 @02:45PM (#41974615)
Interesting. So rather than have newspapers that pretend to be neutral, we could instead have explicitly Republican newspapers and explicitly Democratic newspapers? I guess things have sort of been trending in that direction the last few years anyway...
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by bogantech on Friday October 25, 2024 @07:09PM (#41950830)
> But that's not what happened here. The editors did their normal endorsement process, but the owner of the paper stepped in and personally overrode their process for this one particular endorsement.

He owns the paper, they just work there.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by kcplate on Friday October 25, 2024 @07:30PM (#41951005)
Honestly it’s surprising to me that people really think that the news side of a media company operates with complete autonomy from the business side. They might claim it exists but that’s a fallacy.

I worked at a major daily newspaper 30 years ago and I personally know of two cases in my short tenure there where news stories were killed because they didn’t want to piss off important advertisers. I am also aware of a story involving a family member of one of the executives that was let’s say “barely” reported. Other local media organizations interestingly had much more detail than we carried.

News has always been and will always be first—a business.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by johnnyanmac on Friday October 25, 2024 @07:40PM (#41951098)
We didn't give freedom of the press to protect businesses from government scrutiny. We did it to keep free information flowing.

There's definitely some very hard and frank questions we need to ask if free information decides to focus on profits over communication.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by kcplate on Friday October 25, 2024 @08:00PM (#41951269)
The press is free to report on whatever they want. That freedom however is not a mandate that they must report on everything. Newspapers and other media companies have ALWAYS focused on profit. Nothing new there.

Plus in this day and age there is literally no restriction on the flow of public accessible information at least in the US. Even when it was tried recently (twitter, FB, YouTube) during the pandemic the public backlash to that attempts at information control was so great that it might literally sway this election.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by johnnyanmac on Friday October 25, 2024 @10:47PM (#41952129)
> Nothing new there.

like most of the 21st century: Nothing new, just getting more efficient and less subtle with it. 20th century corruption would have had this announced way back in 2023 to make the timing not so obvious at the bare minimium instead of having editorial waste its time on a story that was pulled last minute.

>the public backlash to that attempts at information control was so great that it might literally sway this election.

but nothing much changed. I don't know if public outcry vs output was always this poor, but that certainly seems to have changed over the decades. Too many people uncomfortable enough to complain but not enough to get up and get out.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by kcplate on Saturday October 26, 2024 @12:49AM (#41952629)
> but nothing much changed

Two of the three platforms (and the former CEO of one) have publicly admitted what was done at their companies was a mistake and the third has quietly reversed much of the topic controls around pandemic and vaccination content.

I’d say that is something.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by okr on Friday October 25, 2024 @09:23PM (#41951720)
(correction: no one "gave" press freedom. instead it is protected against government overreach. just like any other free speech. thank you.)
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by mjcl on Friday October 25, 2024 @10:33PM (#41952061)
Then I'd suggest their tagline of "Democracy dies in darkness" is pretty self-important and misleading.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by mensetmanusman on Friday October 25, 2024 @11:41PM (#41952344)
Walk should rebrand as ‘Darkness’
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by noobermin on Saturday October 26, 2024 @08:23AM (#41954319)
Advertisers is one thing, but where's the business sense in not reporting on an executive? That sounds like a little fiefdom, not something that makes "business sense."

Whenever people say stuff like this it reminds me why I'm wary whenever people mention things being business friendly or pro-market because it has a lot to do with protecting certain people who already have a good position over merely following market forces.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by kcplate on Saturday October 26, 2024 @09:25AM (#41954599)
Point was that leadership of a media company might make editorial decisions that are in its best interest—whatever that interest might be. Not necessarily profit, but could be personal.
Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by transcriptase on Friday October 25, 2024 @07:19PM (#41950904)
The editors did their normal endorsement process of… endorsing whoever the Democrat candidate is like they’ve done every election since 1976?

Sounds tedious. I bet someone is really disappointed at all the objective research they did going to waste.

Re:Jeff Bezos kills Washington Post editorial board presiden... by johnnyanmac on Friday October 25, 2024 @07:41PM (#41951105)
you see how incedisive so many people are and sadly realize that yes: an endorsement from a big newspaper can mean a lot.